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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Gender neutral toilets at work

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SmallPug · 10/11/2020 18:30

I know it’s been done to death, but I need to rebut the ridiculous ‘we do it to be inclusive’ email re loos. Our office building - which is an arts institution and we rent an office inside effectively has mixed sex loos. There are ostensibly male and female toilets, but they all have ‘gender neutral’ signage. I wrote a very clear email (using Woman’s place info) outlining the issue of having ‘mixed sex’ toilets and I got a ‘it’s to be inclusive so people can use the toilets they feel most fits their gender identity’. Which basically defeats the point and they might as well be honest. I haven’t seen anything to be concerned about (yet) it’s all very naice etc etc and not like a train station loos - but it is accessible to the public in places, and the point remains that they’re affectively mixed sex. I used ‘sex’ throughout - they used gender. It would be good to have the best evidence, including links, of what’s wrong with this. I am not suggesting they shouldn’t have any gender neutral toilets - but they shouldn’t be all gender neutral. Thanks.

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Caroncanta · 12/11/2020 21:31

OP in my opinion making a fuss over unisex toilets at work and pre-empting issues when it's not actually causing any problems could be seen as crying wolf, especially as there are so many other things women have to deal with in the workplace

Demanding that women's spaces are not opened up to men is not crying wolf. The risks are already known and apparent. That's why we have sex segregated space. We don't have to wait until we are raped or sexually assaulted in each toilet before we are allowed to have our space back.

goodbyetrump · 12/11/2020 22:04

And thanks to the law, we don’t have to justify our claim to single sex facilities with either religious reasons or fear of assault or anything else for that matter, it’s enough to say we want to keep men out. And any decent men wouldn’t want to be there. So we definitely want to keep the remaining ones out.

Greencoatblue · 13/11/2020 01:43

Just want to thank Eowynthewarrior for insight. I've had cancer 3 times (2 different cancers). After the last lot of chemotherapy I've been left with permanent hair loss, basically male pattern baldness. I no longer wear a wig and just do the best I can with the remaining hair to disguise my problem. When I was still wearing a wig, and was on jury service, I tried to time my toilet visits to when no other women were in the female loos. If a woman came in while I was redoing my wig, so be it, it was upsetting but manageable. If a bloke had come in I'd have felt so much more vulnerable. As it happens there was a lovely bloke who was transitioning, had the boobs, but "he" used the male toilets at all times.

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