Of course Trump nearly winning was the fault of females....

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I saw this opinion piece this morning and once again, surprise surprise, women are to blame.

According to exit polls 55% of white women voted for Trump. And while I am also aghast that anyone would vote for a misogynistic, racist narcissist, I am a bit pissed off that it’s women that get called out for voting for him and men get a pass.

Also, according to the exit polls, 12% of black people, 32% of Hispanic/Latinx people and 28% of the LGBT community voted for Trump - surely they were also turkeys voting for Christmas?

Nothing is said about the fact that 49% of men voted for Trump versus 48% for Biden, whereas more women voted for Biden than Trump (56% to 43%).

But no, it’s all the females fault....

In 2016 it was accepted wisdom that 52% of white women had voted for Trump. I believed it myself. It took Pew Research until 2018 to properly validate and assess and cross reference the voter data to confirm that, in fact, it was 48%.

Obviously, that it still too damn high! But it dramatically changes the narrative. So I am very suspicious of stories that insist women voted this way, or that Trump has supposedly doubled his vote with black women or gay people. All the votes in NY and CA haven’t even been counted yet!

US exit polls are notoriously unreliable and it will be many many months before we actually know the truth. But everyone will get their digs in at women first!

I read that none of the exit polls take into account the many mail in or early ballots, which skew heavily to Biden. They are therefore entirely unreliable. It’s incredibly frustrating hearing this ‘white women are the root of all evil’ narrative being peddled all over Twitter. It’s amazing how we are always responsible for the behaviour of men

And while I am also aghast that anyone would vote for a misogynistic, racist narcissist

Why are you surprised that women voted trump? With Biden's promises to trans activism, and the soon to be erosion of women's and girls rights, it surprises me that more women didn't vote for the orange man. Yes he's a sexist arse, but why jump out of the frying pan into Biden's grease fire? It's a choice between a douchbag and a shit sandwich really isn't it. 🤷‍♀️

Unfortunately I have no data to back this up, but is it possible that women in abusive and controlling relationships have ended up so gaslit or too terrified to do much other than follow their abusers will?

I’m sad to say they probably exist in the sorts of numbers to account for swings like this...

I wouldn't put too much faith in the method. There was some telephone sampling too. Certainly considering the huge postal vote, this small sample of people who may not even speak comfortably in a hugely polarising election, I wouldn't trust it's reliability even as a wind gauge.

They also said that (white?) gay men probably voted with an eye towards the introduction of same sex marriage a few years back, but have now gone to the Republicans and even doubled their vote for Trump since the last election.

I wouldn't trust that poll, though.

What a vile rant. And laughably illogical too. Presumably the white women in the social justice t-shirts and waving BLM signs were in the half of the population who didn't vote trump.

Trying to turn a wonderful, world changing step towards unity and racial equality into 'fuck you Karen' is Trumpism at it's finest.

What an inflammatory and nonsense artice. She is equating 55% of a population (white women) with 100% of the population of white women (ok, it happens with men on here, every often).
And she is cheerfully ignoring the black Trump voters ("all thanks to black voters").
I don't have much time for arguments where people ignore large numbers of cases which don't fit with their argument.

Presumably the white women in the social justice t-shirts and waving BLM signs were in the half of the population who didn't vote trump.

Yes, why would you even consider that they would be the same women?

What a stupid brainless rant. I love this;

Here’s a good first step: don’t vote for a white nationalist and fascist. That would be a beginning. Also, if you have husbands, wives, brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, friends, colleagues, neighbours ― not letting them vote for a white nationalist and fascist.

@Imnobody4

What a stupid brainless rant. I love this;

Here’s a good first step: don’t vote for a white nationalist and fascist. That would be a beginning. Also, if you have husbands, wives, brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, friends, colleagues, neighbours ― not letting them vote for a white nationalist and fascist.

Oh god, the irony!

And how many white men voted for trump? I saw a tweet with a picture of voting breakdown for some state (I forget which) saying "once again a majority of white women are voting for trump" which had something like 54% of white women voting for him, and immediately above it in the same picture but completely ignored by the tweeter was a stat saying that around 58% of white men had voted for him. But he had ignored the higher % of white men voting trump and gone straight to shitting on white women. Its not going to be a popular things to say but I'm fucking sick of (mostly) black men acting like their shit doesn't smell because they experience racism. And people in general pushing the narrative that white women aren't oppressed, and any disadvantage we face is cancelled out by our white privaledge, whilst black men are said to not experience male privaledge and any they do have is cancelled out by the racial oppression they face. But there's a reason that a black man was elected president far before a woman of any colour even made it to vice president. Black men expect white women to bend over backwards to be antiracist but I have yet to see significant numbers of them do the same to challenge their own misogyny. How many white women do you know who have read those bloody "white fragility"/"why I'm no longer speaking to white people about race" books vs how many black men you know who are out there reading books on feminism? How many white mothers do you know who are trying their hardest to find books for their children that discuss racism and represent black characters vs how many black fathers are out there challenging their children on every day sexism? For every white woman out there who is failing to own her part in perpetuating white supremacism there's a black man out there failing to own his part in perpetuating male supremacism. I was all over intersectionality when I first learnt about it, but I see now that it's just become another way to put women at the bottom of the pile and blame us for everything. And as usual main stream feminism is to craven and desperate for male approval to say a word about it.

I read that none of the exit polls take into account the many mail in or early ballots, which skew heavily to Biden

That makes sense. If they're relying purely on exit polls, they're going to be wrong, because as we saw during the count, Trump was massively ahead amongst people who voted in person, and massively behind amongst people who voted by mail.

Anecdotal, I know, but in the run-up to the election, friends in the US making phone calls for the Democrats, said they were seeing a big swing to Biden amongst white women.

The whole point of democracy seems to be lost.

Now there's a moral decision on the 'good' party/person and the 'bad' party/person and you're supposed to virtue signal with your vote.

Fuck that.

People vote for all kinds of reasons and it's their vote. This fashion for a certain type then getting sniffy and superior because the 'in crowd' think their candidate is the only morally justifiable one is ridiculous. Losing all patience with this, it's merged into Gary Glitter stomping about shouting "do you wanna be in my gang! (but don't look at my hard drive)"

How do you "not let" your spouse's and family members vote for whoever they want?

Off-topic, but it's always confused me that "Latino" is seen as a racial group when Latin America is at least as racially diverse as the USA. I assume that a proportion of "Latino" voters actually consider themselves white.

Stopping people voting for whoever they want to is the epitome of fascism. Stupid doesn't even cover it.

As I said on a previous thread. Karen decided Trump hates her a little less than people like the author of this drivel. I do agree with this bit though:

Mostly, you need to stop pretending. Stop with the yard signs, T-shirts and posters. Stop posting picture after picture of you and your kids at social justice rallies. Stop tweeting about all your good deeds. Stop performing White Woman Saviour...

Yes, please stop propping up, and giving legitimacy to, these ill thought out, knee jerk movements, just because it looks good on Instagram.

A very silly article. How will something like this make white women come over to "their side"? You're putting the blame on them, but giving males of all races a free pass. A woman of colour has become VP before a white woman. A black man became president before a white woman did. I'm not saying racism doesn't exist, but these are facts right there in front us.

These wokies will say "White women = bad" then in the next breath they'll say "Why aren't more white women supporting us?" It's pathetic and they've got no self awareness whatsoever.

Aja Barber is some sort of writer who has a big following on Instagram, and her main point in life seems to be berating people about social justice issues. She wrote a similar post tearing into white women and the comments are absolutely full of white women apologizing, self flagellating and saying what awful Karens they are, this is all their fault and they must do better blah blah blah, etc etc. Apparently this happened because they didn't "work hard enough" and they didn't cut off their friends and family members who voted for Trump (never mind that he lost!)

Why do women put up with such treatment and actively participate in their own shaming? It drives me mad. Men as a group get called out all the time, and they mostly just ignore it, or push back. Starting to wonder if they are onto something.

Also, isn't this article "transphobic"? Funny how she has no problem pointing out who the women are. Apparently it's oh so bad to be white even though no one has control over their skin colour/what race they are. How come we're always being told not to mention race when someone is nonwhite, but this type of thing is okay? Wokeness is horrible. Time to push back on this.

@Imnobody4

What a stupid brainless rant. I love this;

Here’s a good first step: don’t vote for a white nationalist and fascist. That would be a beginning. Also, if you have husbands, wives, brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, friends, colleagues, neighbours ― not letting them vote for a white nationalist and fascist.

We'll there's nothing like democracy is there?

I just looked up the 2019 general election in the UK. More men voted Conservative than women, especially young men (28% vs 15%). Yet no-one blames them for inflicting the mass killer on us.

It's all a bit masochistic, this self-flagellation some white women are engaging in.

While you certainly can't generalise about women voters like that, some of the early analysis did seem to suggest that the group Trump lost most support from was white males. There did seem to be a particular type of female Trump supporters that were very vocal - often older women in the middle and Southern states. They had the leader of a support group called The Trumpettes on the Channel 4 News the other day - quite terrifying!

Yes, i saw a woman on the telly say the same thing

And i was very angry that as usual there was no mention of the men that voted republican

The whole things winds me up to be honest

And?

In what way are ww earnestly engaged in getting out the vote for Biden and social justice issues to blame for the Trumpettes?

WW, just like all other demographics, are not a monolith, and are not - uniquely - their sisters' political keepers.

The poll is unreliable, and I'd like to see what the real numbers are, but even if they were accurate (they're not) women - even the terrible, sinful white ones - are responsible for one vote - their own.

While you certainly can't generalise about women voters like that, some of the early analysis did seem to suggest that the group Trump lost most support from was white males.

This is almost certainly because the Democratic candidate was more palatable to white men this time around, though. I am sure that an awful lot of men who were pushed towards Trump because they wouldn't vote for Hillary, subsequently had no problem voting for Joe.

I know this is massively premature, but unfortunately I suspect that if Harris is the next Dem pick for president, no matter how competent a job she does as VP, she will have a similarly uphill battle. No doubt that will somehow be the fault of white women too!