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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Male violence

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AnneElliott · 08/11/2020 20:24

twitter.com/corrinepriest/status/1324755733389430794?s=21

Not sure if there's already been a thread about this (apologies if so) but how awful the male is to follow and threaten a woman for speaking on the phone to her mum!

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Datun · 10/11/2020 22:25

A 6'5, 20 stone skinhead probably wouldn't have phoned his Mum to complain about other people not wearing masks.

Do you get chilly with all those points whooshing over your head like that?

The man wasn't offended, he wanted to intimidate a woman. And he saw the ideal opportunity to do so.

It was a demonstration of misogyny.

Let's face it, not only is she a cunt and a slag she's also, an unforgivable thing in this man's eyes - posh.

He can't stand her because he's a misogynist. He was just looking for the thinnest of reasons to let her have it. 'Posh', evidently being one of them.

Misogyny – there's a lot of it about.

EyesOpening · 11/11/2020 13:44

I wonder what would have happened if it was him on the phone and she went up to him. I expect he would still have called her all the same things and told her to mind her own business because as he said, he can say what’s on his mind and do what he likes. One rule for him and a different one for women.

AnneElliott · 11/11/2020 20:38

That's a good point @EyesOpening. I bet he would have taken umbrage at anyone listening in to his conversations- no matter what the subject.

But suddenly he's got the right to police other people's (women).

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Ketrina · 12/11/2020 12:12

an unforgivable thing in this man's eyes - posh.

Not many people like posh people. The posh voice is such a wind up

Datun · 12/11/2020 12:23

@Ketrina

an unforgivable thing in this man's eyes - posh.

Not many people like posh people. The posh voice is such a wind up

Why do you think it's a wind up?
NCone · 12/11/2020 12:29

My DD is often told she has a posh voice, no idea why since she's not posh and wasn't even born in this country. But does that mean she is at risk of winding people up? When calling me on the tube? I should warn her to be careful about speaking up I guess. Just another way we wimmen are out of line, and must do better.

gamerchick · 12/11/2020 12:31

13:48PlanDeRaccordement

My point is merely that there was no violence and nothing he said (that I could hear) meets the legal requirements of a threat based on the evidence in her twitter post alone

Was he harassing her? Yes
Was he being intimidating? Yes

Neither of these things are violence. Violence requires the use of physical force to cause bodily harm. There was no physical force or bodily harm

You think violence is solely physical harm?

Maybe start with what is listed as domestic violence and start from there to fill up gaps.

Ketrina · 12/11/2020 12:33

Why do you think it's a wind up?

Irritating, posh voices always sound pretentious and toffy to me.

My DD is often told she has a posh voice
So was I as a young child. I was raised in.an affluent area of Surrey (but I'm not MC, grew up council house etc), my uncle used to call me his posh Surrey girl, as they were from a "rougher" area so to speak. I grew out of it. Posh voice is for telephone only now.

CaraDuneRedux · 12/11/2020 12:47

So was I as a young child. I was raised in.an affluent area of Surrey (but I'm not MC, grew up council house etc), my uncle used to call me his posh Surrey girl, as they were from a "rougher" area so to speak. I grew out of it. Posh voice is for telephone only now.

Do you mean you've changed the accent you grew up with, the one that comes naturally to you, in order to (as you perceive it) fit in better with the people round you?

That seems a bit sad that you felt you had to do that.

Datun · 12/11/2020 12:50

Irritating, posh voices always sound pretentious and toffy to me.

That's a you problem, then.

Ketrina · 12/11/2020 13:19

That's a you problem, then.

Are you posh?

with, the one that comes naturally to you, in order to (as you perceive it) fit in better with the people round you?

No, those who raised me spoke "properly" so that was how I spoke as a child, once I grew up into a teen and started hanging around with different people, their slang and accents rubbed off on me. Kinda like how my mum lost her Irish accent when she moved to England as a kid.

Datun · 12/11/2020 13:28

@Ketrina

That's a you problem, then.

Are you posh?

with, the one that comes naturally to you, in order to (as you perceive it) fit in better with the people round you?

No, those who raised me spoke "properly" so that was how I spoke as a child, once I grew up into a teen and started hanging around with different people, their slang and accents rubbed off on me. Kinda like how my mum lost her Irish accent when she moved to England as a kid.

Posh voice is for telephone only now.

So you're only 'unlikeable', 'irritating' and 'pretentious' when you make phone calls?

It doesn't hang together, does it Ketrina?

This man didn't bully and intimidate this woman because he was criticising her personality based on her accent.

He did it because she's a woman.

CaraDuneRedux · 12/11/2020 13:35

It's also a complete distraction from the issue.

What you're doing Keterina is absolutely classic victim blaming. Because one aspect of the victim's personality annoys you you're giving the perpetrator a free pass on his bad behaviour.

You may not like to admit this, but you're cut from the same cloth as the "posh upper-middle class church-going woman" on a jury who finds a rapist not guilty because the victim had been to a nightclub in skimpy clothes, had been drinking and (as her phone records showed) sometimes picked up men for consensual casual sex.

Both victim blaming as hell. Both using some arbitrary features of hte victim that don't fit your world view of acceptable people to say the victim had it coming.

And you're also being woefully naive. Look at that bloke in the video clips - well turned out, reasonably smartly dressed, voice doesn't exactly scream "failed by the school system". On another day, he could have heard exactly the same conversation, only with a working class girl with a pushchair wearing tracky bottoms - and you can bet he'd have followed her down the street ranting about "single mums on benefits" and "Essex slappers" and... (insert whatever class-based insult in the opposite direction).

Because he (unlike you) doesn't care whether the woman's posh, or working class. He just cares that she's female - and will latch onto anything he can to have a go at her. Because he's a fucking sexist arsehole.

Sparklfairy · 12/11/2020 13:53

I particularly love when he brags, "I can do what I want, the world is my oyster and I can do what I want" blah blah

... Yet he's following and intimidating a woman for daring to have the same privilege.

ScreamingBeans · 12/11/2020 18:30

Does anyone know if he's been arrested and charged with anything yet?

JellyFishSquish · 12/11/2020 19:41

Yes, eager for an update.

AnneElliott · 12/11/2020 22:11

I think the Twitter post said he'd been identified but no news on charges yet.

Whether he voice is annoying is neither here nor there. How many people have you chased down the street Keterina just because you didn't like their accent?

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