Forensic medicine Bill Scotland

[fatblackcatspaw]

There at it again! Moves to make it impossible for women victims of sexual violence to requst a female doctor.

www.heraldscotland.com/news/18852360.agenda-new-bill-must-not-conflate-sex-gender/?ref=twtrec

I think I'll have to contact my MSP again🙁

Really?? Really? What are they getting out of this?

The word gender should no longer be used anywhere when the word sex is the one needed.

Legislation should be crystal clear. Those wanting it to remain 'gender' know exactly what they are doing.

you are right ... I need to write to them ALL OVER AGAIN!

I think I'll have to contact my MSP again

Particularly important if any of your MSPs are on the committee looking at this bill: www.parliament.scot/parliamentarybusiness/CurrentCommittees/99783.aspx

JFC

To their credit, members of the committee who are scrutinising the bill have recommended its amendment to say “sex” instead of “gender”. The Government has chosen to disregard this, stating it is “not immediately convinced there is legislative ambiguity

They are indeed exactly seeking legislative ambiguity.

When I thought the bastards could go any lower...

@ThinEndOfTheWedge exactly I can't can't imagine the kind of minds who pull this stuff out time after time after time.

To their credit, members of the committee who are scrutinising the bill have recommended its amendment to say “sex” instead of “gender”. The Government has chosen to disregard this, stating it is “not immediately convinced there is legislative ambiguity

I thought that was dodgy as hell as well. There is no good reason not to use sex.

Utter shits.

I had a non-routine mammogram recently and in the waiting room it suddenly occurred to me that it could be a man/trans woman doing it. I was utterly petrified. I sat there trying to figure out whether it was better to walk away if it was a man, or to try and go ahead with it knowing I'd very likely faint (had images of me hanging from the machine by my breast, which would have been comical were I not actually petrified).

As a precious victim of sexual assault by a doctor treating me when I was quite ill it was actually horrific thinking that it was less important that would be so scared I blacked out, than it was important for my naked breasts be used as a validating object for some man who identified as a woman.

And actually, the fact that I was sitting there in fear about my breasts being manhandled and me having no control (TRAs talk about being "triggered" by words, I'd like to have seen them in my chair that day) means it's already gone too far. No woman should ever fear their body being used as a prop (at best) by a medical professional. We should never have reason to. But we already do.

I can't the article without answering a Google question do I need to do that? Is it anywhere else.

*previous, not precious!

There's a particular type of cruelty in using the law to bully women victims of male rape in this way. It's as if none of these people advocating this have an ounce of insight or compassion. Just vile.

NiceGerbil

You can read it from the archive: archive.vn/6MOnO

I simply can't understand why they keep doing this.

They know what they're saying and what the questions and consequences could/ will be.

What's in it for these lawmakers etc?

The prisons thing in various countries including England is bonkers. Ask any passer by what the consequences of putting an intact male convicted of rape into a women's prison could well be and they will immediately know what the risk is.

But it's fucking happened. Policies quietly changed etc.

What happened to common sense? So many people involved. And it still happened with barely a peep.

That's what I find very unsettling and depressing. Do so many people care do very little about women and girls? Answer seems to be yes.

Oh and thank you Betsy for the link.

@PaleBlueMoonlight

Really?? Really? What are they getting out of this?

This! Quite aside from the disgusting disregard for women who the hell writes laws based on terms that aren’t/won’t be defined?!

Sadistic. It takes a real fucked up person/mind to force traumatised women to be attended to, possibly intimately, by a male against their wishes. There's a word for people who get a kick out of that.

It's basically taking away women's consent, isn't it? Their choices will be to reluctantly accept a male, potentially leading to more mental trauma, or reject and be labelled a hateful bigot, maybe even have their refusal to deny reality recorded against them as a hate crime

If they ask for a woman, it should mean woman. Sex and gender are not, and never will be, the same thing.

I think a thing I read the other day is pertinent.

The whole thing is considered in terms of, often men, thinking how hard it is to be a GNC male. They automatically empathise with their own sex and think wow yeah that's really hard let's help.

The impact on the women in the mix is not even considered.

Sadistic. It takes a real fucked up person/mind to force traumatised women to be attended to, possibly intimately, by a male against their wishes. There's a word for people who get a kick out of that.

Indeed. Never lose sight of the fact that many men like that exist in the world, and that women often enable them.

Ah yes, the newest civil rights frontier! Male people simply MUST have the right to attend female rape survivors who have asked for a female doctor

The cruelty of specifying gender and not sex cannot be underestimated. Evidence given by Rape Crisis Scotland states that “the single most common complaint we hear from survivors of sexual crime about their experience of the forensic examination is lack of access to female doctors”

seeing rape victims as collateral damage in your path to a brave new post modernist world takes a certain lack of humanity no?

admirably clearly written article. very clear about the sex of men who wish to examine rape victims. Their gender is irrelevant.

any Scottish based Mumsnetters please write to ALL your MSP's emails avialable on Scottish Parliament website. If you are feeling particularly energetic write to the MSP's on the Judiciary Committee as well

Thanks for suggesting that fatblackcatspaw. Definitely worth doing.

They can't keep getting away with whing about how nobody has contacted them. Sending an email is relatively easy.

Unless their bastard staff are not passing on emails... but they can do the same with letters..