Trump and LGBT+ Voting

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I was looking at the Sky news breakdown of the US Exit polls, showing how different groups voted.

According to the data from Sky, those who voted Yes to the question "Are you gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender?" overwhelmingly voted for Trump (76%).

It's early and I haven't slept much, can anyone explain this? My brain really hasn't woken up yet.

@fatblackcatspaw

I don't know where you are from JJ but you would be hard pressed to find worries about Scotsmen in Kilts which are worn at work, at special occasions and every day. The only issue with kilts has been the Sgian-dubh a small knife worn in the sock. This is when knife crime laws came in. Gender non conformity is RIFE here. (Which makes the SNP's astonishing regressive stance on well EVERYTHING even more astonishing. ) And not only practised by teenagers.

Kilts are not worn every day or at work. Kilts are very much a special occasion garment for weddings or an alternative to black tie or at rugby Internationals. They not evidence of gender non- conformity. Kilts are a traditional male garment dating back centuries. It is just nonsense to claim them as evidence of gender-non-conformity.

Trans only prison wings would mean most trans people moved miles from their local area by default. This means trans people would not be treated equally in the prison system. One likelihood of that is judges recognising it and being more lenient in sentencing which I suspect many of you would not want.

Better for MTF trans people to stay in the male estate then, isn't it?

If you spoke to any ex prisoners you'd know that being placed in a prison near to where people can come and visit is seen as a top priority. Lots of prisoners are from poor families, if someone is placed on the other end of the country then that could mean not seeing close relatives for months on end due to money or work commitments. It is not a trivial matter and was one of the main reasons there was considerable resistance to closing Holloway despite the prison's appalling track record.

Trans only prison wings would mean most trans people moved miles from their local area by default.

Isn't this already the case to a large degree?

Men's prisons are:

Closed:

Category A - dangerous on a national scale
Category B - local prisons for long-term/high-risk people
Category C - training/resettlement prisons, still closed prisons, often dangerous sex offenders, etc.

Open:

Category D

Women's prisons:

Closed - may have a Category A wing
Open

As of 2019 there were just 16 female Category A prisoners, who were:

www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/608333/response/1455613/attach/html/4/FOI%20191001001%20final.xlsx.html

• 9 in Bronzefield (near Heathrow)
• 3 in Peterborough
• 2 in Low Newton (Durham)
• 2 in New Hall (Wakefield)

It is almost certain that some of these 16 'females' are in fact men: fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-prisoners/ (at figure 5)

it is noted that:

(a) More than half of transfemale prisoners are sex offenders and likely to be in 'Restricted' categories
(b) That women have only 4 prisons in the whole of England with this status, whereas there are at least 50 men's prisons with similar prisons
(c) that this means that actual women are much more likely to be in a non-local prison than males, simply because most prisoners & prisons are males.
(d) if one was to propose that transwomen are women, it would follow that the comparator for 'local' prisons is the availability of local prisons for high-risk women, which is only 4 in the country.
(e) given that the total number of 'restricted' category women is only 16, and there were at least 10 Category A transwomen prisoners as of 2017, these numbers are of the same order of magnitude, and where the majority (9) of 'Restricted' women (some of whom are likely in fact men) are in one prison, which has the facilities specifically to house such prisoners, it doesn't seem that there should be an issue with having a small number of prison wings for transwomen.

Great point, StandWitch.

StandWitch that's interesting. Thanks for posting.

According to the 2018 Bronzefield inspection:

www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprisons/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2019/04/Bronzefield-Web-2018.pdf

3 prisoners identified as transgender, NONE identified as male, 141 as female , 2 as 'other'

At Peterborough women 2017

www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprisons/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2018/01/HMP-YOI-Peterborough-Women-Web-2017-1.pdf

4 were transgender, 1 male (so presumably FTM transgender), so presumably 3 MTF

At Low Newton 2017

www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprisons/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2018/06/Low-Newton-Web-2018.pdf

1 transgender, 0 male, 2 'other'

At New Hall 2019

www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprisons/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2019/06/New-Hall-Web-2019.pdf

3 transgender.
1 male identifying person, 1 'other'