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Guilty of hate speech at home?

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FeedTheSparrows · 04/11/2020 13:12

Forgive me if there's already a thread on this, but an article in The Times today says: "The Law Commission has proposed removing the “dwelling exemption” from 34-year-old legislation covering “stirring up” offences in a move that its experts argue would clarify the law."

Apparently this would, "...criminalise dinner-table conversations in which casual comments were made about other nationalities or groups such as transgender people."

Here's a link to the piece: www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/extending-hate-speech-laws-to-private-homes-crazy-d7k99llrk

'Afraid I don't know how the share token thing works to get round the paywall. (Happy to learn for future ref!)

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terryleather · 04/11/2020 16:17

I should clarify my post above, I'm referring to "a person who cross-dresses" when I'm talking about fetishists, not non-binary - I have huge problems with non-binary being included in transgender identity when it's a metaphysical concept with no measurable basis or definition in law but fetishism isn't one of them!

Nessashanessa · 04/11/2020 16:33

It's not just Alexa that listens, I use my I Pad to browse the Internet and it's left on its stand constantly and is in idle mode. We had friends come to stay, we live abroad and we discussed mosquito bites in depth because my friend was really suffering with bites. When I used my I pad I was receiving multiple adverts for mosquito deterrents.
I located the microphone on the I pad switched it off and the adverts stopped.
This proposal is terrifying and must be stopped.

Cocothefirst · 04/11/2020 16:37

We are sleepwalking into a dystopia.

MichelleofzeResistance · 04/11/2020 16:43

way to eliminate prejudice

Oh for pete's sake, I hope that tweet was ironic.

No, scaring people into not saying things out loud doesn't make them stop thinking it or believing it. It just makes them really, really pissed off and gives them reasons to believe they're right, and that you're an oppressive nut job so things you're saying are obviously oppressive nutjobbery, and sooner or later that's going to burst out, isn't it?

This comes from a basic political movement that believes it can create a believed narrative just by controlling what people are allowed to say and banning the nasty bits of facts and reality from being spoken. It's developmentally the same level as learning that putting your hands over your eyes doesn't mean people can't see you, this is toddler level thinking.

It's also absolutely lacking fundamental ability to respect others, (uses that language happily but no grip on what it means unless it's self serving), lacks basic comprehension of theory of mind and without basic emotional intelligence and social understanding of how people work.

What does a captive populace usually do when really pissed off? Take a look at the history books. It never goes anywhere with sunshine, rainbows and happy ever after. Which is why so many of the basement computer warriors are proud political anarchists when you check their bios and affiliations.

Imnobody4 · 04/11/2020 16:54

And what about the human right to privacy and a family life. I thought 'activist' lawyers were supposed to be upholding human rights not finding dubious ways to circumvent them.

FloralBunting · 04/11/2020 17:34

It really cannot be overstated. This is a bold, brazen power grab. Anyone who thinks this is a good idea is laying their neck down to more easily receive the boot upon it.

Andante57 · 04/11/2020 17:40

@Imnobody4

And what about the human right to privacy and a family life. I thought 'activist' lawyers were supposed to be upholding human rights not finding dubious ways to circumvent them.
Good point.
vesuvia · 04/11/2020 17:57

Are these British politicians on some type of grotesque incentive scheme for who can best imitate the working practices of the Stasi, with networks of spies spying on their own families?

Nomnomarrgh · 04/11/2020 18:02

My phone keeps offering to listen to me aka “switch Siri on?”. Over my dead body.

This is a natural step on from schools teaching our children about thought crimes

DrDavidBanner · 04/11/2020 18:05

Will Scotland end up having state sanctioned themes of discussion around to dining table?

How does this impact internet forums? I use this forum and LSA which is a US website and the you can say things on there that you'd never get away with on here.

Have any of these people and a history lesson?

How would it work, and who would enforce it? I haven't used FB for years but I had a few people on there who were in law enforcement and their accounts were some of the scariest, hatefilled right wing ones on there. One of the reasons I closed my account.

Sorry this is a stream of conscious, I've just got all these thoughts and questions in my head. [cnfused]

teezletangler · 04/11/2020 18:07

The film The Lives of Others should be compulsory viewing.

An incredibly moving and powerful film, and definitely worth a watch at this moment in time.

DreadPirateLuna · 04/11/2020 18:11

Everyone from the Catholic Church to the Orange Order think part 2 of the proposed Bill is hugely problematic and if those two agree on something then the SG should probably have a bit of a rethink..to put it mildly.

Possibly because they're probably the only groups who won't be covered by the hate laws. Well them and "Karens".

Must watch The Lives of Others again. Or maybe I should read up on my Chinese history and figure out how to deal with the upcoming "struggle sessions".

Imnobody4 · 04/11/2020 18:48

Actually I live alone but do talk to myself- will ranting at the television count?

Andante57 · 04/11/2020 18:49

There are some excellent film and series about East Germany. Deutschland 83 & 86 are good and Weissensee is brilliant except we had to get a gadget for our DVD player to unlock the subtitles on the American dvd we bought.
The Stasi had complete power over GDR citizens. One step out of line such as telling a joke about Erich Honecker and the punishments were severe. If a citizen was suspected of helping another escape to the West their children could be forcibly removed and some people never learned what happened to their children.
Sometimes citizens could escape punishment if they promised to inform on friends and family.
It was an appalling regime and should be a warning to those trying to bring in laws affecting freedom of speech in homes.

Nomnomarrgh · 04/11/2020 22:31

I think a lot of people have gone to sleep during history lessons. Being told by a bloke that Hitler got it right, when he’d be one of the first to die if Hitler got a chance is sadly too too common.

PurpleHoodie · 04/11/2020 23:41

FloralBunting

I am convinced hate speech laws are essentially just a secular version of blasphemy laws.

Yes.

However, Wokies are going to find themselves increasingly shunned, and disinvited from peoples personal circles.

PurpleHoodie · 04/11/2020 23:42

Current, and future legal challenges are going to be interesting.

It works both ways huh.

PurpleHoodie · 04/11/2020 23:42
Stinkerbells · 04/11/2020 23:54

It’s a step too far, no you’re not overreacting.

Goosefoot · 05/11/2020 00:40

@MichelleofzeResistance

way to eliminate prejudice

Oh for pete's sake, I hope that tweet was ironic.

No, scaring people into not saying things out loud doesn't make them stop thinking it or believing it. It just makes them really, really pissed off and gives them reasons to believe they're right, and that you're an oppressive nut job so things you're saying are obviously oppressive nutjobbery, and sooner or later that's going to burst out, isn't it?

This comes from a basic political movement that believes it can create a believed narrative just by controlling what people are allowed to say and banning the nasty bits of facts and reality from being spoken. It's developmentally the same level as learning that putting your hands over your eyes doesn't mean people can't see you, this is toddler level thinking.

It's also absolutely lacking fundamental ability to respect others, (uses that language happily but no grip on what it means unless it's self serving), lacks basic comprehension of theory of mind and without basic emotional intelligence and social understanding of how people work.

What does a captive populace usually do when really pissed off? Take a look at the history books. It never goes anywhere with sunshine, rainbows and happy ever after. Which is why so many of the basement computer warriors are proud political anarchists when you check their bios and affiliations.

Reading your post, it kind of struck me that an awful lot of the political energy on the left now goes into this kind of thing. Not just trying to shut down expression of ideas, but eliminating a pretty wide group of works now seen as having baggage, or eliminating evidence of things being different in the past in ways that some feel are uncomfortable.

The idea seems to be that not knowing these things means they will go away.

Andante57 · 05/11/2020 10:19

We are campaigners, lawyers and policy experts who work together to protect rights and hold the powerful to account.

This is from Liberty’s website. I wonder if they have commented on this police state law - somehow I rather doubt it.

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