EHRC report investigation into antisemitism in the Labour Party

[FindTheTruth]

Published just now:

EHRC Investigation into antisemitism in the Labour Party
www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/publication-download/investigation-antisemitism-labour-party

@FindTheTruth

100% agree redDogs. Rosie Duffield is trending as activists say it's unfair JC suspended and not her

Ffs, their war on women who won't comply is never bloody ending.

• I think it's reasonable to infer that a party capable of "unlawful acts of harassment and discrimination" against one group of people (the Jewish community) might also have vile attitudes towards other groups too.

Like women.*

SNP, take note.

Ffs, their war on women who won't comply is never bloody ending.

True. I think that there's a big overlap between those who have been peddling anti-Semitism in the party and those who hate women. It would be good to see them all go.

I think it's reasonable to infer that a party capable of "unlawful acts of harassment and discrimination" against one group of people (the Jewish community) might also have vile attitudes towards other groups too.

Ontop of this, many of the people affected will be women.

Glad to see Corbyn being taken to task over the whole thing, long overdue.

I'd appreciate a break it down for me thread on all this.

Does one exist?

I can see how the intersection with feminism works but I've often found the antisemetism things very confusing.

My immediate thought after hearing this was, what about their attitude to Women in the party? Just for standing up for women's legally entitled sex protected spaces?
Will we see an EHRC ruling on that, I wonder? (I won't hold my breath!)

I waiting for the report into misogyny but I won’t hold my breath.

Finding this article pretty much all I need to know.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/29/jewish-labour-councillors-who-led-ehrc-antisemitism-process-tell-of-mental-toll?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

Statement by Luciana.

I received hand delivered correspondence to my office signed off by supporters of Jeremy Corbyn that said I would have acid thrown on me and I would be stabbed and raped. I had to take extensive personal safety measures, limiting my freedom of movement. It was relentless.

medium.com/@lucianaberger_76642/i-am-grateful-to-the-ehrc-for-its-comprehensive-investigation-which-today-finds-the-the-labour-43391203d62e

Fucking hell.

Virtue signalling by OJ.

Very much doubt he'd do the same for women.

According to the guardian;

A report last year from the Commons women and equalities committee called on the EHRC to “overcome its timidity” and “refocus its work”.

RedDogsBeg: Wouldn't it be lovely if similar action was taken against those who are mercilessly bullying women for non compliance to the TRA agenda and ideology. I somehow doubt that the EHRC would be the slightest bit interested in investigating that.

According to the Report (pp 205-6), Labour Party members said the effect of Ken Livingstone’s comments “was humiliating, denied the victims’ experience, diminished the issue, had the effect of stirring up and fuelling hatred for Jews and contributed to the creation of a hostile and intimidating environment for Jewish Labour Party members.” (pp 105-5 of the Report)
I think that if this subjective perception of Ken Livingston's actions is the basis of the conclusion that his words were "antisemitic" then by the same shaky standard most posters on FWR (including me) are "transphobic". And I wouldn't be surprised if the next people on the EHRC agenda were feminist organizations expressing the “ highly offensive” view that biological males can't be women.

The Revolution eats its children. It's happening before our eyes.

@howard97A

RedDogsBeg: Wouldn't it be lovely if similar action was taken against those who are mercilessly bullying women for non compliance to the TRA agenda and ideology. I somehow doubt that the EHRC would be the slightest bit interested in investigating that.

According to the Report (pp 205-6), Labour Party members said the effect of Ken Livingstone’s comments “was humiliating, denied the victims’ experience, diminished the issue, had the effect of stirring up and fuelling hatred for Jews and contributed to the creation of a hostile and intimidating environment for Jewish Labour Party members.” (pp 105-5 of the Report)
I think that if this subjective perception of Ken Livingston's actions is the basis of the conclusion that his words were "antisemitic" then by the same shaky standard most posters on FWR (including me) are "transphobic". And I wouldn't be surprised if the next people on the EHRC agenda were feminist organizations expressing the “ highly offensive” view that biological males can't be women.

It could equally and I think more honestly and aptly be a description of what is happening to women within the Labour Party and outside of it who believe biological males are just that biological males however they choose to dress or what name they call themselves.

I do, however, agree with you that the EHRC won't ever come to the defence of women.

I was just looking for a thread on this. I wonder if they will deal with misogyny next.
My Jewish friend told me that even though she wouldn't vote labour because of antisemitism, but she was even more outraged by the misogyny.
We are good friends and I would have said we veer more to the left than the right, but the hatred towards, and the betrayal of, women is just unacceptable.
The worst thing about it is the support for misogyny from women like Lisa Nandy and Dawn Butler.

Reading the "#Zionism" trend threads on Twitter makes me want to vomit.
Soon those scumbags are out of the Labour Party the better.

There's actually two interesting anti-Semitic + women-related intersections on the left:

1. Woke Islington types who peddle casual anti-semitism, mostly with regard to Israel, and believe TWAW (I've actually been tempted to do a thread on here about how everything TRAs have done with women had already been done with anti-semites and Israel - exactly the same playbook) - think Owen Juicy Jones.

2. Hard left Momentum types who are old-fashioned anti-semites (think we Jews are all child-murdering rich capitalists), hate Israel (because Jews) and actually don't fall for any of the TWAW bullshit - think George Galloway.

It's very weird.

Those hard left types are also old-school misogynists

So let me get this straight.

The EHRC are an independent body?

Many are accusing KS of Zionism. But it seems he had no choice but to fire JC under the process?

Len McClusky is living in a different world if he thinks rejecting the antisemitism report and ignoring Corbyn’s belligerence will win elections. They won’t win until that cabal is removed from the Labour Party.

I agree 100% with BlackForestCake. One example of these similarities is how language has been manipulated in a top-down manner: quite early on in Corbyn's time in charge the very definition of anti-semitism (racism) was changed to include anti-zionism (politics).
I'm very sad indeed about what has happened to Labour: if I hadn't already left over the TWAW thing, I would now be ditching them.

@BlackForestCake

Both issues have a lot in common, but not in the way that you think.

There is a very similar pattern here of activists and party apparatchiks on the right, creating a shitstorm of bogus allegations in order to demonise figures in the party they want to get rid of. It is all about delegitimising narratives which conflict with the ruling class ideology. The more the ruling class ideology conflicts with reality, the harder the attack against dissent has to be.

The movers and shakers behind the Labour smears, the “Campaign Against Antisemitism” and “Jewish Labour Movement” are misnamed: they are not a campaign against antisemitism or a representation organisation of Jewish workers, they are hardline pro-Israel lobby groups, and they pursue their lobby in the same way as Stonewall and Scottish Trans Alliance do – with lies, exaggeration, DARVO, dogpiles and denunciation of “bigots”.

Political arguments are de-politicised and reframed to make them about “hate”: “You hate trans people” or “You hate Jews”. The intended effect is to isolate – who wants to defend a “bigot”?

The escalation of every dispute is deliberate. The purpose is firstly to make people think there is no smoke without fire, and secondly to deter others from getting involved in the discussion, because you will think twice about speaking out if you are immediately subjected to all sorts.

The same tactics of smears and lies are used to make you accept the occupation of the Palestinian territories, and to make you pretend you believe men can be women.

That's my analysis. I don't expect everyone to agree. But mine leads me to think it is far more likely that Starmer will attack Duffield than that he will suddenly spring to her defence.

This is a bunch of anti Semitic bullshit. I didn't read the full thread before I posted earlier.

Campaign Against Anti-Semitism, for example, are absolutely a campaign group campaigning against anti-semitism. For you to smear them as being a political lobby group for Israel is anti-semitism. That the fact they point out that much anti-semitism is couched as "anti-Zionism" these days then gives you the opportunity to turn around nd smear them even more is so fucking TIRESOME.

And btw TRAs have basically taken their entire plan of action from the Palestinian playbook.

How? Well, start by ensuring you twist the meaning of commonly understood words so they no longer have any meaning.

So for the anti-Israel lobby that's things like "occupation" and "genocide".

There is no occupation - Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005. The Israel government literally went in and removed every last Jew out of Gaza in 2005 (I remember the army dragging them - JEWS - out of their homes) and then handed over the entire region to Palestinian control. There is literally no occupation.

Genocide: the Palestinian population in Gaza has been growing exponentially - and that is data from their own bureau of statistics. Genocide is the murder of an entire population - if Israel is causing genocide in Gaza how is the population growing?

You want to know what a real genocide looks like? The population of a European Jewry is still not at the levels it was before the Holocaust. It's been 75 years and we still haven't recovered the numbers we lost.

Does it remind you of how "women" now means people with penises?

First twist the language then you can twist public opinion.

Many are accusing KS of Zionism.
The hard left are obsessed with Israel! Why?

Thank you Sebastian