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Claire Parry’s killer found NOT GUILTY of Murder.

186 replies

GroundAlmonds · 27/10/2020 12:51

Unbelievable.

www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/18825133.dorset-policeman-timothy-brehmer-found-not-guilty-murder/

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 27/10/2020 12:52

So he accidentally strangled her Hmm

Women really don't matter do they...

GroundAlmonds · 27/10/2020 12:54

Nope. We are disposable. Sad

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GroundAlmonds · 27/10/2020 12:55

Maybe we should band together and start “accidentally killing” violent men and rapists?

I am so angry. Again. When is someone going to sort the judicial system out? How was this not a slam dunk?

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ChelseaCat · 27/10/2020 13:00

He’s guilty of manslaughter though - it was the premeditation they couldn’t prove

User27aw · 27/10/2020 13:01

Murder doesnt have to be premeditated.

Prufrocks · 27/10/2020 13:02

What?

It’s frequently asked here on mumsnet, “should I tell the wife that her husband has been messing around?”

Should we now be cautioning those women that if they do, they could rightly expect to be murdered?

Claire Parry’s killer found NOT GUILTY of Murder.
GroundAlmonds · 27/10/2020 13:04

What was his defence? Something like he was “vigorously encouraging her out of the car”? That she died accidentally because of this encouragement? Because of the way ay she was dangling backwards over the seat edge? Such BS.

He throttled her. Because she texted his wife revealing their affair. A bone in her throat was broken. He lied so much and so badly.

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Sparklfairy · 27/10/2020 13:06

Interesting that as a trained police officer he still chose to put his 'arm around her neck to restrain her' and stop her getting out of the car Hmm

GroundAlmonds · 27/10/2020 13:07

God almighty @Prufrocks these people must truly hate women to come out with that as a defence argument. Serious wrong? Her?

Anyway, if he wants to benefit from a “loss of control” defence, shouldn’t he have to tell truth about the way in which she died?

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BlueThistles · 27/10/2020 13:09

it's a disgusting Verdict

Dozer · 27/10/2020 13:10

Disgraceful. We should write to our MPs / Home Secretary.

GroundAlmonds · 27/10/2020 13:11

Yes. Hopefully the prosecution will file an appeal. Kicking up a fuss can only help.

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 27/10/2020 13:11

I'm baffled by this. How is it possible to strangle someone by accident? This man was a police officer and must have had training on restraint, so should have been more aware than the average person how dangerous it is to compress the neck.

Poor woman.

MedusasBadHairDay · 27/10/2020 13:12

This is horrifying

user147425843578 · 27/10/2020 13:13

Juries don't like convicting police officers.

Killings like this happen because of the society we have constructed so it makes sense that our society's institutions and jurors rarely do anything useful in response.

"Innocent until proven guilty" exists purely as a legal fiction meaning the state can't impose punishment on a person.

It doesn't mean the person is considered factually innocent or that anybody else has to treat them as innocent.

That is the only way I can cope with the situation. Legal fictions don't mean anything. The system is not about delivering justice in the sense that you mean it, it's about delivering judgments based on the current set of laws created by people.

None of which makes it ok. All I am saying is that if you expect the criminal justice system to deliver fairness and truth you will always be disappointed and it will eat you up inside.

MaudTheInvincible · 27/10/2020 13:13

This is awful. It sends a clear message about how valued women are in society.

I was going to write 'in our society', but it's not 'ours' at all is it? It's theirs, and any status we are given is purely by their gracious indulgence and can be removed at any time.

GroundAlmonds · 27/10/2020 13:14

He denies strangling her at all @Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

He said her neck was compressed by the edge of the seat as he helped her out of the car head first.

Or some such Bullocks.

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persistentwoman · 27/10/2020 13:16

He's a police officer! And having done jury service I can see why it is possible for some juries to find in his favour - some are stupid enough to believe a police officer can do no wrong. An awful result.

User27aw · 27/10/2020 13:17

Surely there must have been some forensic evidence on how exactly she was killed. It cant just have been on his evidence. Shocking verdict.

GroundAlmonds · 27/10/2020 13:18

He is being sentenced for the Manslaughter conviction at 2.30. Does that seem rather prompt?

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Lockheart · 27/10/2020 13:19

I would like to read the sentencing remarks, once released.

user147425843578 · 27/10/2020 13:19

Also, juries don't have to provide their reasoning for their decision. So it could be based on not wanting to convict a police officer, based on liking how he came across in court, based on a misunderstanding of the burden of proof, based on disliking the prosecutor, based on not wanting to be responsible for sending someone to prison...

I wouldn't take it to mean they necessarily believed he accidentally strangled her. They may have formed the view that the prosecution did not meet the legal burden of proof (or may have misunderstood what the reasonable doubt instruction meant") or any of a number of faulty reasons.

I don't know why people think jury trials are a good way of delivering justice in the way people mean here. There is no transparency and no recourse for faulty application of the law because they don't have to publish a judgment like a judge would, who could then be challenged for erring on a point of law.

It's the system and structures that need outrage, attention and change.

User27aw · 27/10/2020 13:20

@GroundAlmonds

He is being sentenced for the Manslaughter conviction at 2.30. Does that seem rather prompt?
I agree it seems very quick.
ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 27/10/2020 13:25

he helped her out of the car head first

FFS.

RoyalCorgi · 27/10/2020 13:26

It does seem prompt - judges usually have to take certain things into account before working out the sentence.

Obviously this is an appalling verdict. But it's like those women who were "accidentally" strangle to death during sex - juries don't seem to understand how much force you have to apply to kill someone by strangling.

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