Sydney Herald "Younger men failing to recognise domestic violence" shocking survey.

[334bu]

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Really distressing survey on young men's attitude to violence against women and girls. It's 2020 and young men still think it's acceptable to hit their girlfriends.

Someone can only isolate another person if that person is afraid of some kind of retribution

Actually that is not the only or even the most common way to isolate someone. There are lots of psychological tricks and other techniques used to isolate one's partner, even just convincing them to move away from their friends and family, although I presume that would be too subtle to be considered a crime in anyone's book.

The answer is not easy tbh. Society needs to change. The justice system needs to change. The media needs to change. Laws around prostitution and porn need to change.
Men need to actively speak out and speak against DV, educate the boys and young men. Just not being an abuser is not enough. It was never enough.

Schools can try and educate all they want, I know mine does. Everyone says the right thing in a classroom environment(about most things),amongst themselves ,at home, on phones or in the playground it's a very different story for some of them.

even just convincing them to move away from their friends and family

It never stops there though,does it?
Behaviour like that escalates and it never happens in isolation.

@334bu

How do we change this? Should schools be making the teaching of consent a priority.? Should respect for women and girls be taught in the same ways as respect for other minority groups?

It's already on the curriculum for PDHPE. There are public awareness campaigns regularly.

These boys are not suffering a lack of education.

@ComeOnBabyHauntMyBubble

The answer is not easy tbh. Society needs to change. The justice system needs to change. The media needs to change. Laws around prostitution and porn need to change. Men need to actively speak out and speak against DV, educate the boys and young men. Just not being an abuser is not enough. It was never enough.

Schools can try and educate all they want, I know mine does. Everyone says the right thing in a classroom environment(about most things),amongst themselves ,at home, on phones or in the playground it's a very different story for some of them.

Yes, this.

What the fuck?

I have no words.

I would like to know if there were earlier surveys about this topic and if so, how the answer looked. In other words, have we gone backwards or is it just the young don't know what domestic abuse looks like while older people have learned from either personal experience or from news etc.

nepeta

2014
www.vichealth.vic.gov.au/-/media/ResourceCentre/PublicationsandResources/PVAW/SurveyReport_YoungPeople-attitudes-violence-against-women.pdf?la=en&hash=D0DF9334116F124EFCC5A05C1BB9693A6C75CB8A

[images from 2014 report]

2018
theconversation.com/australian-study-reveals-the-dangers-of-toxic-masculinity-to-men-and-those-around-them-104694

2019
Full report
www.anrows.org.au/NCAS/2017/findings/#target_dl

Summaries
www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/may/22/one-in-seven-young-australians-say-justified-if-women-change-their-mind-study-finds

www.themandarin.com.au/108967-how-do-young-australians-see-violence-against-women/

The young have far more education on the topic. It's discussed far more openly, and public awareness campaigns, which didn't exist when I was growing up, occur regularly. It makes no sense to think they are just lacking exposure to the idea that punching your girlfriend is domestic abuse.

Thanks, DancelikeEmmaGoldman. My quick reading suggests that things have gotten worse in recent years.

An abuser's definition of what constitutes 'real' abuse is flexible and always sits one or two orders of magnitude above their latest offence.

I call it the 'Be grateful I'm not an axe murderer,' position. Also known as 'You shouldn't wind me up - now look what you made me do!'

I grew up in Australia in the 60s and 70s and things were starting from a very low base indeed for women. It was not a great place to be a growing girl, teenager and young woman for a lot of the time!

I wonder what that portion of males think IS domestic violence? If it does not include..violence. And apparently a similar amount think non-consensual sexual activity is not domestic violence either?!

Given those attitudes, I would wager that that proportion of men simply do not believe domestic violence exists at all. Or (maybe m,ore likely) would class 'nagging' or 'saying no' as domestic violence. Awful awful people.

Also yes, not surprising that this view is most prevalent in younger people. When porn is normalized for them, MRA tropes are common and misogyny is constant, then yes, opinions will be warped by that. We are definitely currently going backwards with womens rights.

We've been warning for years that we're going backwards and here's the evidence! I know some Brits view Oz as a backwater when it comes to attitudes towards women anyway but the gulf between the ages busts that myth.