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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

BBC Bitsize - Pronouns

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OhHolyJesus · 22/10/2020 09:27

I mean I'm not surprised but Bitesize is used by schools through the country as a supposed reliable, unbiased source of education material.

mobile.twitter.com/SafeSchools_UK/status/1319025713475952641?fbclid=IwAR0rTBD2j5PKOeTKvYSSX90c4RUDmJDo7Zg613qnDBXNaAncv3J8epYWLSQ

You can complain here:

www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaints/make-a-complaint

Or email your MP and cc MPs Safe Schools Alliance on info@safeschoolsallianceuk.

In the tweet thread there are some people already complaining. I'm not a defund the BBC kind of person but I can see why license fee layers are questioning what the BBC are doing with their money (there is a website 'BBC complaints' that's all about biased Brexit coverage).

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midgebabe · 23/10/2020 20:05

The next thread down judicial review , woman raped by trans prisoner , yeah we are middle classes sueing the underdog

jj1968 · 23/10/2020 20:06

@Kit19

and yet trans people regularly face abuse and assault in the streets and the workplace

Whereas women of course sail through life never ever being abused or assaulted

Women are murdered at the rate of 2 a week but yeah sure it’s TW who are the ones really suffering here

And you know there Could have been common cause with women & TW on pushing back against male aggression but instead TRA chose to scream nodebate & push aggressively into women’s spaces and that opportunity has been lost

And tens of thousands of women have come out onto the street all over the world at Women's Marches and Reclaim The Night events amongst others to protest this. Yet they don't come to gender critical protests. Almost as if its not a priority. Or they don't agree.
Datun · 23/10/2020 20:07

You copied and posted some inapplicable ACAS ruling, because you said, that she was a liar, crazy and a shit boss, because she had been targeted by somebody who wanted her to put up a poster in her café to raise money for their plastic surgery.

You also said she was biphobic. Because she believed in soulmates 😁. Banged on about it, in fact. Lol.

Also telling women it was illegal to draw attention to a sexual predator exposing himself in a women's shelter.

And also claiming that people hosting the Posie Parker video eviscerating Harrop would be withdrawn, due to copyright infringement. And we might all have to be very much aware on this site as we might be in violation.

All nonsense.

Blindingly0bvious · 23/10/2020 20:07

What person, who has all their rights secured and thinks that women have no hope of getting what they want, spends all their live long life on a feminist board, trying to intimidate the women? What's the point?

Worth repeating.

jj1968 · 23/10/2020 20:08

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

Oh yes, you're suing a few people, how frightfully middle class.

It's a lot more effective than protesting on the streets, and you will note that they are funded by hundreds of women paying what small amount they can. Grassroots action from women who care deeply about their rights.

They haven't been very effective so far. You keep losing.
Datun · 23/10/2020 20:08

@midgebabe

So feminists are bad if there are no court cases and bad if there are court cases?
I know, right! Bad if we take to the streets, bad if we take people to court. But also awful if we don't do either of those two things!
midgebabe · 23/10/2020 20:09

Protesting against rape could be seen as a gc protest. Protesting against the assumption that women should be raped , that women are asking for it if they go out after dark

Try again

Datun · 23/10/2020 20:10

They haven't been very effective so far. You keep losing.

Keep it up, pal. Sunlight. You can't open those curtains fast enough, can you?

midgebabe · 23/10/2020 20:10

No I do believe we don't keep losing

You are in a muddle

Datun · 23/10/2020 20:10

@midgebabe

The next thread down judicial review , woman raped by trans prisoner , yeah we are middle classes sueing the underdog
Bloody women, suing men for raping them.
CaraDuneRedux · 23/10/2020 20:12

@Blindingly0bvious

What person, who has all their rights secured and thinks that women have no hope of getting what they want, spends all their live long life on a feminist board, trying to intimidate the women? What's the point?

Worth repeating.

Grin
Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/10/2020 20:14

Up the Revolution! Don't want to do anything frightfully bourgeois like crowdfunding a legal action to set legal precedent.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 23/10/2020 20:14

You may find this thread interesting JJ

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4020907-Roll-call-of-legal-cases-fought-for-women-and-free-speech

Which links to this very useful webpage
womenspeakscotland.com/

Which helpfully lists a lot of the things that all the women who don't care about GC issues aren't doing...

yourhairiswinterfire · 23/10/2020 20:14

Oh yes, you're suing a few people, how frightfully middle class.

You sound disappointed that we're not violent thugs.

We didn't need to go and protest on the streets to get Liz Truss to hear us. We wrote personal letters and emails, which was far more effective than waving a banner with a nonsensical slogan on in the street.

jj1968 · 23/10/2020 20:15

@midgebabe

No I do believe we don't keep losing

You are in a muddle

Maya lost. Kate Scottow lost. Harry lost except over the niggle with his ex employers. The bloke wanting to do detransition research lost. Who won?
Galvantula · 23/10/2020 20:15

@merrymouse I did that at my work. In a massive place no one had ever asked to express and it caused a bit of confusion and panic about where I could go. Blush
Plus explaining where I was off to a lot to whoever I was working with on my shift. It was important to me though, so I did indeed just have to crack on. It did open up the possiblity of providing facilities so others were able to then use them though. :)

jj1968 · 23/10/2020 20:15

@yourhairiswinterfire

Oh yes, you're suing a few people, how frightfully middle class.

You sound disappointed that we're not violent thugs.

We didn't need to go and protest on the streets to get Liz Truss to hear us. We wrote personal letters and emails, which was far more effective than waving a banner with a nonsensical slogan on in the street.

Liz Truss has just completely turned you over.
ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 23/10/2020 20:17

Who won

All of those people having their stories in the press, bringing sunlight to the issue. (As an aside, Scottow did not sure anyone, they were sued). You don't seem to understand that bringing something to court has far far more value than a simple win or lose Hmm

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/10/2020 20:17

Oh sorry, have transactivists won everything? Beats me why you're complaining about your "rights" so very much then!

ArcheryAnnie · 23/10/2020 20:18

What, jj, is "middle class" about a woman prisoner attacked by a male? Do tell.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/10/2020 20:18

The bloke wanting to do detransition research lost. Who won?

Do you think this is a good thing?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 23/10/2020 20:18

Liz Truss has just completely turned you over.

Could you expand on that?

howlsmovingcastle84 · 23/10/2020 20:18

JJ

Why would I risk my job for the sake of taking on TRAs when I can do so much more whilst having my job?

I quietly get on with my job at work-no 'overt' GCing, just simply changing any mention of 'gender' to 'sex' when that's the word they really meant. Making sure the likes of Mermaids get no where near the building. Ensuring we focus on teaching about sex-based rights along with all the other protected characteristics etc.

My DH is similar. He was introduced to this whole area by myself and Mumsnet. His particular area of legal work doesn't come up against this much but he now has he eyes peeled for any incorrect statements about the Equality Act. He's also happy to jump on here and offer legal tips for anyone who needs them in their GCing.

You see, we're everywhere. We're the teachers at your child's school. We're the government solicitors. We're the doctors, the architects, the journalists, the Girl Guiding volunteers, the care home workers, the nursery staff, the authors, the town councilors. We're your next door neighbours, we're the person you chatted to on the bus.

And because you pushed us all 'underground', you'll never know who we are, where we work, how many of us there are or what we're doing.

There's a religious saying along the lines of 'the greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world he didn't exist."

The greatest trick GCs played was convincing TRAs all we do is post on Mumsnet.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 23/10/2020 20:19

@Ereshkigalangcleg

The bloke wanting to do detransition research lost. Who won?

Do you think this is a good thing?

Also, his case is now going to the ECHR I think? Not entirely convinced that would be seen as a loss?
jj1968 · 23/10/2020 20:21

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

Who won

All of those people having their stories in the press, bringing sunlight to the issue. (As an aside, Scottow did not sure anyone, they were sued). You don't seem to understand that bringing something to court has far far more value than a simple win or lose Hmm

You don't seem to understand that bringing something to court has far far more value than a simple win or lose

And how much value was won by a court ruling that viewed Maya's views as incompatible with human dignity and fundamental rights of others?

As it happens I think she might win her appeal on that, but probably still lose the case overall.

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