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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Leicestershire Police ' supporting 'people going though the menopause

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TheFnozwhowasmirage · 19/10/2020 14:14

Leicestershire Police have a Facebook post in support of 'people going through the menopause'. They are getting stick for it,but not because they aren't using the word 'women',but for wasting time on SM instead of going their jobs.

OP posts:
ThePankhurstConnection · 19/10/2020 16:27

[quote FAQs]@ThePankhurstConnection yes work are supportive, even on the odd occasion I’ve been so exhausted by mid afternoon I’ve fallen asleep (work fine home), with luck (or not) my boss is in a similar position so she is very understanding.

Anyone remember the fight against woman who had an opinion, must be on their period. Tend to be a mentally which starts in school.

It feels as though it’s back to that stage, but ‘must be on the menopause’, careful she is unhinged and all the same old stereotypes, no it’s physically and emotionally draining, but my opinion in the workplace is because you’re a twat/I disagree/you’re wrong, whichever applies and is not due to my menopause.

It’s good they are aiming the guidance at everybody, hopefully men will also learn something from it so they can support if needed, their colleagues and partners and adjust their mirth.

Oh and I did experience an unexpected really heavy bleed in a meeting, It went through my trousers on to the chair and it was one of my lowest moments especially as I had to leave the building and walk back to my car with my suit jacket wrapped around my waist.

It can be a breeze (apparently) or hellish.[/quote]
That's really good to hear and could be one of the benefits of having a female boss.

I think actions, like those of your work speak louder than words and it might have been good to hear from female officers and police employees HOW they have been supported (as long as it wasn't too intrusive and personal) rather than a social media klaxon that they are being supportive. To me that just seems performative, whereas your work are just quietly getting on with actually supporting you. Hope it gets better for you FAQ, especially the tiredness must be hard.

Aesopfable · 19/10/2020 16:45

To be honest I’ve not really looked in to it, I’m not on the Leicester Police Force Facebook page but it’s been talked about quite a bit on the TV recently and there has been a rise in cases against lack of support, under the equality Act.

So by suggesting it affect ‘people’ rather than ‘women’ are they trying to suggest it isn’t sex discrimination?

ArabellaScott · 19/10/2020 17:10

It is something for employers to bear in mind - women may need more flexibility, time off, etc, during menopause. I think that's fair enough (of course it's women, not people, that this applies to).

ArabellaScott · 19/10/2020 17:11

NRatched Flowers for you and your mother.

NRatched · 19/10/2020 19:04

Thanks, but this was near 20 years ago now! I was a teenager at the time, but its stuck. And i seems things are no better now from what I hear from friends in similar situations Sad

Porridgeoat · 19/10/2020 19:07

They are doing it to counterbalance how crap they have been with women’s issues generally

PicsInRed · 19/10/2020 19:12

Oh fab, does this mean that once we hit menopause they'll investigate all the rapes, domestic violence, and general harassment we've sustained in our lives, which the the police previously couldn't give a shit about when we were all young and bleedy?

We'll form an orderly queue shall we?

nepeta · 19/10/2020 19:36

I wonder if they would be expressing support for 'people' having erectile dysfunction problems. Erasing 'women' and using 'people' means that every woman whose gender is based on their biological sex is told that they can't define their gender like that but must have some inner female essence in their heads which has nothing to do with their bodies. This privileges a small minority who doesn't want to be reminded of their bodies.

Lolaloveslemonade · 19/10/2020 21:14

I’m a woman and using the word ‘person or people‘ doesn’t offend me at all. I don’t feel ‘erased’.
Maybe I’m just not on high alert. Constantly on the lookout for things to offend me

nepeta · 20/10/2020 20:35

@Lolaloveslemonade

I’m a woman and using the word ‘person or people‘ doesn’t offend me at all. I don’t feel ‘erased’. Maybe I’m just not on high alert. Constantly on the lookout for things to offend me
When 'person or people' is used to define what a woman means for me it is hard not to feel that my own gender identity is not allowed anymore.

My gender is 'woman' because my whole life experience has been influenced by living in a female body. If that body now is gender-neutral, then what am I?

But it is of course true that a few examples of this type would be irrelevant. They are getting quite common, though. If you want to see a hilarious example of what happens when we replace 'women' with 'people' have a look at this health article from last February (www.npr.org/2020/02/19/807328672/trying-to-decide-what-birth-control-to-use-heres-how-to-make-the-decision)

Especially this:

"About 13% of people using condoms that go on a penis become pregnant within a year. For comparison, fewer than 1% of people using the hormonal IUD or the implant become pregnant while using these methods."

MichelleofzeResistance · 20/10/2020 20:39

I’m a woman and using the word ‘person or people‘ doesn’t offend me at all. I don’t feel ‘erased’.

How nice for you. Smile Let me introduce you to this concept called 'other people' and their rights not being yours to give away because you personally don't have an issue.

Maybe I’m just not on high alert. Constantly on the lookout for things to offend me

Or maybe you're extremely naiive about the realities of other women and their lives that you haven't directly experienced. Try reading a bit, finding out why these women are saying what they're saying before you dismiss what you don't know about or understand as just not important. Because that's a bit arrogant and insensitive really, isn't it?

Mollscroll · 20/10/2020 20:43

Next step is to move this to next month so we can have Menopause Awareness November and we can all be clear who really matters in all of this.

Only women go through menopause. Only women.

yourhairiswinterfire · 20/10/2020 21:05

The real ripx4nutmeg retweeted this earlier (the account they're retweeting is called Ripxnut911, I don't think we've got an imposter Grin )

twitter.com/ripx4nut911/status/1318537501112487936

Leicestershire Police: Women are not defined by their ability to menstruate.

Also Leicestershire Police: We're going to define women by their ability to menstruate. And also include women who don't menstruate in our definition 'people who menstruate'. 🤯 See the knots you tie yourself in when you refuse to use the correct words?

Woman really is a dirty word now, huh? Good to see them admit it's so they don't hurt the feelings of people not born female, aka men, and the erasure of the word woman is actually nothing to do with including transmen at all.

MichelleofzeResistance · 20/10/2020 21:15

That Twitter thread..... the police quotes are gems Grin

'Not born female at birth' ……..??? You what now?

And the whole idea that women who stop menstruating stop being women and become 'people' instead.

It's like reading year 8 biology homework gone wrong.

Aesopfable · 20/10/2020 21:21

”About 13% of people using condoms that go on a penis become pregnant within a year. For comparison, fewer than 1% of people using the hormonal IUD or the implant become pregnant while using these methods."

Yes, I remember reading a post stating that 90% of people were considering using reusable sanitary protection.

NRatched · 20/10/2020 22:07

The utter state of that facebook post from Leicestershire Police..wow. Ridiculous, totally ridiculous.

Antibles · 21/10/2020 01:13

Just looks like a wafer thin excuse to shoehorn trans into the spotlight once more.

I hope they don't start bringing vegetables into it like that other police force.

Antibles · 21/10/2020 01:27

”About 13% of people using condoms that go on a penis become pregnant within a year."

I am enjoying myself, imagining a bunch of alarmed men reading that, casting their condom packets away in terror and prodding any nascent beer guts with deep suspicion Grin

Goosefoot · 21/10/2020 01:36

I don't think it would have particularly bothered me, for example, if they say "in our policies we try to address the health and employment needs of menopausal officers," at least not as a thing in itself. I can see that they might feel it hits the note they want a little more, emphasising that individuals being affected in terms of their employment role.

It would also have been less confusing than either woman or people, which sounds like they are talking about women who have committed crimes due to menopausal rage, or gone all to pieces about their annoying neighbours.

I daresay that avoiding the words men or women is part of their communication policy. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they have avoided referring to officers as men or women since before the current reasons for doing so were part of the picture.

GrimSisters · 21/10/2020 04:37

I've seen the RAF have posted about it on FB too.

Lolaloveslemonade · 21/10/2020 04:39

Michelle You’ve just replied to my comment:
m a woman and using the word ‘person or people‘ doesn’t offend me at all. I don’t feel ‘erased’

with this:
‘How nice for you. smile Let me introduce you to this concept called 'other people' and their rights not being yours to give away because you personally don't have an issue‘

‘Other PEOPLE ? 😂

Lolaloveslemonade · 21/10/2020 04:42

Michelle
Or maybe you're extremely naiive about the realities of other women and their lives that you haven't directly experienced. Try reading a bit, finding out why these women are saying what they're saying before you dismiss what you don't know about or understand as just not important. Because that's a bit arrogant and insensitive really, isn't it?

I honestly don’t think you could sound more pompous or be more presumptuous if you tried.

MichelleofzeResistance · 21/10/2020 07:22

So why women feel the way they do isn't of interest to you, or engaging with anything they have to say.

Proves the point really.

FindTheTruth · 21/10/2020 10:42

that's some ratio on Leicestershire Police's tweet
twitter.com/leicspolice/status/1317805446388920322

Lolaloveslemonade · 21/10/2020 11:00

So why women feel the way they do isn't of interest to you, or engaging with anything they have to say.

Again, Michelle could you be be any more presumptuous?
Do you really think I would be reading the posts on this thread if I wasn’t interested in what was being said and the views of other people?
Am I only allowed to post if I agree with the OP? Or YOU?