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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

RFU clears TW to play at *all* levels of rugby

352 replies

Kit19 · 14/10/2020 13:01

the absolute fuckers!!!

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CaraDuneRedux · 14/10/2020 15:42

To L and O and H, the little girls on the same under 11s team as my DS -I'm sorry the adults have decided to fuck up your future in rugby.

The adults who should have been nurturing your skills and talent and commitment and enthusiasm, and giving you as safe an environment as possible to grow into the adult game. But who have instead decided that your necks are unimportant compared to male hurt feelings.

PearPickingPorky · 14/10/2020 15:43

Yep Michelle.

If we're honest, no amount of body-count will do it. They don't care. Women are completely expendable.

The ONLY thing that will change their decision, is money. And that will take years for the costs of this policy to filter through.

Sexnotgender · 14/10/2020 15:44

@andyoldlabour

Antibles

I am quite new to Twitter, so am still learning what to look for. The Women's Rugby Agency Twitter account was set up in July of this year. I must admit I did wonder what sort of "women" they were after the latest snarky reply.

I wondered the same. Doesn’t come across very womanly.
Antibles · 14/10/2020 15:48

Well spotted Andy. I'm not on twitter myself. I've just been learning over the years of this movement that TRAs are incredibly good at the whole social media/lobbying tactics - which is how self-ID nearly slipped in under the radar and how so many organisations have been captured without us even noticing.

Seems very likely to me that it is deliberately planned and there will be a TRA finger in the pie. I find it less likely that female rugby players are happy to act as enthusiastic cheerleaders for this insanity.

Kit19 · 14/10/2020 15:48

No they’re all international players

womensrugbyagency.co.uk/players

So they are all women who benefitted from a system where they only played against women & only had to compete with women to get their place on the squad

They’ve got their career so quite happy to pull the ladder up behind them

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RozWatching · 14/10/2020 15:49

To put it mildly, it's a bit arrogant of them to wade straight in to praise a controversial decision like that.
Who do they think they are?

CaraDuneRedux · 14/10/2020 15:53

@Kit19

No they’re all international players

womensrugbyagency.co.uk/players

So they are all women who benefitted from a system where they only played against women & only had to compete with women to get their place on the squad

They’ve got their career so quite happy to pull the ladder up behind them

And in fact their international careers won't be affected because the world rugby ruling that international matches should be single sex will protect them, so they're happy to throw women in lower levels of rugby to the wolves.
OvaHere · 14/10/2020 15:54

@Kit19

No they’re all international players

womensrugbyagency.co.uk/players

So they are all women who benefitted from a system where they only played against women & only had to compete with women to get their place on the squad

They’ve got their career so quite happy to pull the ladder up behind them

How do we know it's them though? They only have an instagram link on their website and as I said above the twitter account has no verification and not even a link to the website you posted. That account could be anyone. The insta account has over 2k followers but that twitter one less than 200.
Kit19 · 14/10/2020 15:56

Twitter does link to the website Ova

twitter.com/rugbyagency?s=21

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OvaHere · 14/10/2020 15:59

[quote Kit19]Twitter does link to the website Ova

twitter.com/rugbyagency?s=21[/quote]
Okay perhaps it is then. The website doesn't show in their pop up bio.

I still think it's slightly dubious due to the follower numbers and the fact it's not linked on their website.

Antibles · 14/10/2020 16:05

Oh. Still, wonder who's actually doing the tweeting. All sorts seem to be let loose on organisation's Twitter accounts

Antibles · 14/10/2020 16:05

organisations'

MrMeeseekscando · 14/10/2020 16:09

Jesus Christ they are mostly my team.
I'm fucking ashamed.

Antibles · 14/10/2020 16:10

This is seriously fucked up. I cannot imagine normal rugby playing people being OK with this. This is top down. Some TRA grouping somewhere knows that if rugby falls, every other sport goes with it, because rugby is the most dangerous and most insane. Perhaps the World Rugby ruling forced their hand early.

zapity · 14/10/2020 16:11

I can not believe this.

My 10 year old can tackle me.

He is nowhere near puberty.

How can this happen? Female rugby was coming on in leaps and bounds.

Rugby is a well off sport.

HecatesCats · 14/10/2020 16:15

Sporting organisations across the spectrum now setting up cheats charters. It's not safe and it's not fair, it's bloody obvious to anyone with half a brain. Women didn't even achieve parity in sport in terms of coverage, pay, freedom from discrimination (looking at you British Cycling and the internal investigation into the treatment of Jess Varnish) etc and they open it up to men. So as a PP said it's male sports and mixed sports from here on in because we know trans men won't be competing against men at elite level don't we. I'd be livid if it wasn't all so depressing.

Greektome · 14/10/2020 16:15

I wonder how many girls and women will drop out of rugby because of this. Stuff the fact that they love the sport.

huuskymam · 14/10/2020 16:25

The only way this will stop is if the women refuse to play with or against the trans woman. Imagine a 6 4 trans woman ploughing into a 5 foot nothing woman, the damage would be immense. Female players need to take a stand.

Manderleyagain · 14/10/2020 16:31

Just to reiterate well-behavedwomen's post from much higher up. I agree I think this is why it has been so easy to set ridiculously exclusionary rules which are so bad for women:

"People instantly consider and sympathise with distressed males. The impact and distress for females just isn't engaged with, and then when those women protest, after the imaginative empathy has already been engaged by the males that protest is instinctively regarded as cruelty."

It's a bit like when a police officer hears one person's version of events and then can't get away from that framing.

All women & girls who play rugby should ask for confirmation from their club that the insurer will cover the costs associated with injury if it involves a male born player, given that the rfu are declining to follow wr's policy which was evidence based - because they think they understand the evidence better. Have the underwriters okayed this?
Any referees should also ask about this given that they have to assess risks in the games they referee, as I understand it.

It sounds like rfu are planning to consult female players. We have to try & make sure there is a full anonymous consultation (including referees) where the players are given proper, plainly worded, information about the policy.

It really should be persued legally too I think. Indirect sex discrimination. A girl/women who is excluded from rugby because she now knows she may come up against a male born player.

I think we should support fpfw. I will when my garden next allows digging (or some other digging metaphor).

Antibles · 14/10/2020 16:40

Money talks.

RozWatching · 14/10/2020 16:45

The way this is going FPFW are going to need a permanent full-time team.

Is anyone in government paying attention?

mobile.twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1316393307149406208

FairPlayForWomen
@fairplaywomen
"If you are a woman or girl who plays Rugby Union and you are disappointed with
@EnglandRugby's response please get in touch with us."

PurpleHoodie · 14/10/2020 16:54

You know all the sporting clubs complaining that "Coronavirus is forcing us out of business".

Well, to the RFU - hahaha. Fuck you.

(Sorry for the women losing their jobs Flowers)

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 14/10/2020 16:58

So it's not safe for 12 year old boys and girls to play together.
But it magically becomes safe if they identify as the opposite gender?

RHTawneyonabus · 14/10/2020 17:00

It stresses me out that they could ignore evidence like this. DS plays (Still with girls at this stage) And I’ve been so impressed with the lengths they go to to keep everyone safe whilst training. I’ve lost a bit of trust in them over this though.

newnameforthis123 · 14/10/2020 17:11

More scientific evidence of what? Puberty?! Because I'm not a doctor but I'm pretty sure it's a well established concept...

This is all so, so mad.

How could any right thinking person genuinely say they would be ok with their 17 year old daughter playing against someone who has been through male puberty?

Safety and fairness. That's all we ask for. Apparently both are only to be granted to people born male.

I can't believe all this is happening, it's like watching a car crash in slow motion and not being able to stop it.