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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Crispin Blunt: Strident women's rights campaigners provoked trans people to be angry and confrontational.

134 replies

yourhairiswinterfire · 11/10/2020 21:51

www.politicshome.com/thehouse/article/after-his-furious-public-spat-crispin-blunt-liz-truss-trans-rights

From the article: “You've had strident women's rights campaigners... who have provoked trans people to respond often in an angry and confrontational way, and that is unsurprising because this is a central assault on their identity,” Blunt says.

Yes. "Look what you made me do!". The catchphrase of abusers everywhere. If only we'd done what we were told girlies, we wouldn't have been threatened with rape.

This article has some right gems in it. Apparently women just haven't looked into this deeply enough, not as deeply as Blunt, who has been on it since the summer.

“Unless you get quite deeply into this and think this through and have both the empathy and the time to get yourself into that place of understanding it's quite easy to think that there are real problems here about men pretending to be women in order to assault women. That men will seek to take improper advantage of rights afforded to people to take a particular gender identity for improper reasons,” he explains.

Karen White who, guys?? Blunt reckons women aren't at threat from transwomen, and men aren't going to pretend to be women to harm women. Either Karen White is a transwoman, and therefore women are at risk from some transwomen, or Karen White was pretending to be a woman, and therefore women are at risk from men pretending to be women. Maybe you should have done some more 'studying' before opening your gob, Blunt, that's not the only case of this happening. There's no acceptable number of women harmed before we say enough is enough. One is too many. Maybe try looking 'quite deeply' in to that, and the trauma sexual assault victims are left with in the aftermath.

My personal favourite quote is that some religious zealots are "manipulating" women's rights groups to stop people self identifying, because God wouldn't agree with it Grin I wonder if he did this studying with a tinfoil hat on?

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AsTreesWalking · 12/10/2020 12:21

"People should be free to live their lives as they wish. And if someone takes a decision in their life in a particular way, it is not going to have an impact on the rest of society."

Oh, really? You really think that? I wonder what your ex-wife thinks about the non-effect of your decision to live your life in a particular way?

Marlboroughdreams · 12/10/2020 12:24

Off topic, but in response to EvenSupposing, I would say that 'hectoring' is definitely used for both men and women (and in my experience, more often used to describe a man). 'Strident' is used mostly about and against women.

ArcheryAnnie · 12/10/2020 12:28

Bloke says about violence against women "she made him do it". No change there.

teawamutu · 12/10/2020 12:47

@AsTreesWalking

"People should be free to live their lives as they wish. And if someone takes a decision in their life in a particular way, it is not going to have an impact on the rest of society."

Oh, really? You really think that? I wonder what your ex-wife thinks about the non-effect of your decision to live your life in a particular way?

Yes, how about that?
PearPickingPorky · 12/10/2020 13:54

teawamutu If an adult identifies as a 10 child and lives their life as a child (goes to school, plays games with other 10 year olds, plays football with them, etc), do you think the only person affected by that is the adult-child?

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 12/10/2020 13:57

Strident Hmm
Bit of retro misogyny there from Mr Blunt.

maslinpan · 12/10/2020 14:28

Good to see "strident" having an airing, how retro! Next time it will probably be "sexually frustrated" added to the charge sheet and then we'll really get the warm glow of nostalgic misogyny.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/10/2020 14:48

Pretty sure we got that from Sally Hines recently.

StillWeRise · 12/10/2020 15:08

we are probably all career girls, hence us not womaning properly
or if we lack the ambition to be career girls we are perhaps girl friday to a dishy boss

MichelleofzeResistance · 12/10/2020 15:16

Harridan and fishwife also probably in need of an airing. Ooh the lovely breadth of nasty names there are for men to call women doing things like wanting rights.

Has anyone told Blunt about ducking stools and scolds' bridles? I'm sure his local council would see the point in funding some for his constituency. Got to keep these ruddy females in their place!

unwashedanddazed · 12/10/2020 15:37

Cocothefirst My niece identifies as a transman and to start with it nearly broke my family apart. I only speak about these issues anonymously because I don't want to hurt her

I'm in a very similar situation and only speak anonymously to avoid a massive family rift. It breaks my heart to see a child being set on a path from age 5 that's going to be incredibly hard to reverse now that puberty approaches.

StillWeRise · 12/10/2020 16:14

ooooh, harridan I quite like that we should reclaim it

StillWeRise · 12/10/2020 16:18

gah, I have just got up the energy to look at the actual article
the language around human rights is just so stupid
what human rights are trans people being denied? are they subject to arbitrary arrest or detention? torture? are they denied the vote?
what does this man think HR are? has he read the UNDHR?

FloralBunting · 12/10/2020 17:47

I'm enjoying harpy at the mo.

AbsintheFriends · 12/10/2020 18:28

'Shrill' is a perennial favourite of mine from the misogynist's phrase book.

ripx4nutmeg · 12/10/2020 18:35

'84% of transgender people in the UK have contemplated suicide, and 50% have attempted it' [which isn't even the figures in the debunked study]. 'Of all groups of people from whom women might feel a threat, trans women are probably the least likely source.' [Didn't even bother misrepresenting a debunked study for that claim].

fakenina · 12/10/2020 20:49

@Vermeil

The article makes him sound stupid and slightly hysterical. I wonder if he’s planning to stand down at the next election and is after one of those nice cushy well paid part time NGO jobs ex politicians are so fond of?
Nail on head.
IwishNothingButTheBestForYou · 12/10/2020 22:00

@FloralBunting

I'm enjoying harpy at the mo.

Bring back strumpet!

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 12/10/2020 22:14

@unwashedanddazed

Cocothefirst My niece identifies as a transman and to start with it nearly broke my family apart. I only speak about these issues anonymously because I don't want to hurt her

I'm in a very similar situation and only speak anonymously to avoid a massive family rift. It breaks my heart to see a child being set on a path from age 5 that's going to be incredibly hard to reverse now that puberty approaches.

Similar here, except transition was in adulthood. There were complex reasons why he didn't identify with his birth sex. Sadly none of these has been addressed by transition. He is very unhappy and now trapped in a 'male' body as had full surgery, so detransition is not an option 😞
aliasundercover · 12/10/2020 23:28

I've always liked 'slattern'.

PurpleHoodie · 13/10/2020 03:08

RozWatching

Blunt has actually done us a favour here, reminding everyone that thereisa Conservative case for this bs.
They call it freedom, but as is so often the case, they nearly ended up giving freedom for a select group of the most persistent lobbyists to do what they want, with no analysis of wider societal impacts.
And it's interesting and terrifying that Penny Mordaunt, Liz Truss's predecessor, appears to have been the secret genderist in the cabinet hinted at by Andrew Gilligan

Oh, this.

PurpleHoodie · 13/10/2020 03:19

Blunt has actually done us a favour here, reminding everyone that thereisa Conservative case for this bs

They call it freedom, but as is so often the case, they nearly ended up giving freedom for a select group of the most persistent lobbyists to do what they want, with no analysis of wider societal impacts

And it's interesting and terrifying that Penny Mordaunt, Liz Truss's predecessor, appears to have been the secret genderist in the cabinet hinted at by Andrew Gilligan

What are people who are gifted positions of power gaining from bringing
'laws'
"laws"
"Legislation"
that contribute to the breakdown in child bodily safety, women's and gay rights laws?

What? What is it that they individually are personally gaining?

nepeta · 13/10/2020 06:48

Yet another politician who views women as support humans.

ArabellaScott · 13/10/2020 06:53

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Pretty sure we got that from Sally Hines recently.
We did indeed. I was genuinely astounded to see a feminist academic accusing other women of just being in need of a good seeing to. But there it is.
AnyOldPrion · 13/10/2020 08:25

To his Conservative colleagues, he says that this is a fundamental issue of personal freedom, and warns that the party will face electoral challenges if it is seen to be taking its lead from social conservatives, saying “it is not “defensible” in a “modern society”.

He’s deluded as well as a woman-hater if he thinks this is a vote winner. Perhaps he should look at all the other parties who support this shit and see how well they’re doing.