Crispin Blunt: Strident women's rights campaigners provoked trans people to be angry and confrontational.

[yourhairiswinterfire]

www.politicshome.com/thehouse/article/after-his-furious-public-spat-crispin-blunt-liz-truss-trans-rights

From the article: “You've had strident women's rights campaigners... who have provoked trans people to respond often in an angry and confrontational way, and that is unsurprising because this is a central assault on their identity,” Blunt says.

Yes. "Look what you made me do!". The catchphrase of abusers everywhere. If only we'd done what we were told girlies, we wouldn't have been threatened with rape.

This article has some right gems in it. Apparently women just haven't looked into this deeply enough, not as deeply as Blunt, who has been on it since the summer.

“Unless you get quite deeply into this and think this through and have both the empathy and the time to get yourself into that place of understanding it's quite easy to think that there are real problems here about men pretending to be women in order to assault women. That men will seek to take improper advantage of rights afforded to people to take a particular gender identity for improper reasons,” he explains.

Karen White who, guys?? Blunt reckons women aren't at threat from transwomen, and men aren't going to pretend to be women to harm women. Either Karen White is a transwoman, and therefore women are at risk from some transwomen, or Karen White was pretending to be a woman, and therefore women are at risk from men pretending to be women. Maybe you should have done some more 'studying' before opening your gob, Blunt, that's not the only case of this happening. There's no acceptable number of women harmed before we say enough is enough. One is too many. Maybe try looking 'quite deeply' in to that, and the trauma sexual assault victims are left with in the aftermath.

My personal favourite quote is that some religious zealots are "manipulating" women's rights groups to stop people self identifying, because God wouldn't agree with it I wonder if he did this studying with a tinfoil hat on?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1307304/Wife-traumatised-Tory-MP-Crispin-Blunt-admits-Im-gay.html

For a man who claims men won't pretend to be women, he seems to have forgotten that he pretended to be heterosexual, voted against gay rights, married a rich woman and spent her fortune, then traumatised (her word) her by declaring himself gay. Oh and also, whilst pretending to be straight, stated that homosexuals have a propensity to depend on the exploitation of youth for gratification (his words).

He appears to be a man who will say and do anything to serve his own needs, but wants to tell women that men never do that.

@DidoLamenting

"I'd rather be rude than a fucking liar". Magdalen Berns.

The article makes him sound stupid and slightly hysterical.
I wonder if he’s planning to stand down at the next election and is after one of those nice cushy well paid part time NGO jobs ex politicians are so fond of?

@unwashedanddazed

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1307304/Wife-traumatised-Tory-MP-Crispin-Blunt-admits-Im-gay.html

For a man who claims men won't pretend to be women, he seems to have forgotten that he pretended to be heterosexual, voted against gay rights, married a rich woman and spent her fortune, then traumatised (her word) her by declaring himself gay. Oh and also, whilst pretending to be straight, stated that homosexuals have a propensity to depend on the exploitation of youth for gratification (his words).

He appears to be a man who will say and do anything to serve his own needs, but wants to tell women that men never do that.

Hahaha oh god these men are so stupid! Do they think we don’t do our research

I’m not surprised he’s doubled down at all. Westminster is very much a bubble & I do believe Helen belcher is very involved with this group who has had years of practice & success in convincing otherwise apparently sane politicians that TW are the most oppressed ppl ever

He must have skin in the game one way or another- that's the only thing that makes sense.

@unwashedanddazed

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1307304/Wife-traumatised-Tory-MP-Crispin-Blunt-admits-Im-gay.html

For a man who claims men won't pretend to be women, he seems to have forgotten that he pretended to be heterosexual, voted against gay rights, married a rich woman and spent her fortune, then traumatised (her word) her by declaring himself gay. Oh and also, whilst pretending to be straight, stated that homosexuals have a propensity to depend on the exploitation of youth for gratification (his words).

He appears to be a man who will say and do anything to serve his own needs, but wants to tell women that men never do that.

The comments under that article are entirely critical. He's called a variety of selfish, deceitful and putting himself first, over and over. They all think he's a prat.

And none of it seems to have remotely dented his arrogance.

@DidoLamenting

I'm still not sure what your specify point is with regards to the Crispin Blunt article?

I am suggesting Berns might be someone he had in mind. Berns certainly managed to put me off having anything to do with a gender critical stance for a very long time. I'm still not fully behind it but am open to persuasion in part - that is despite of, not thanks to Berns.

It's true that people respond to different styles in argument. There's an example of the "opposite end" to M Berns here:

www.theunspeakablepodcast.com/podcast/episode/379c6175/why-are-so-many-kids-saying-theyre-trans-and-how-big-a-deal-is-this

And Lily Maynard also takes a "gentler" approach:

twitter.com/LilyLilyMaynard?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

But:

1. Talking about "strident women" is appallingly sexist.

2. "TRA"s do not regard any expression of the GRC position as legitimate because they cannot defend their position rationally. There isn't a way of preventing men abusing self-ID so rather than admit that they have to slander the people pointing this out. Same with women's sports. And saying "it's bigoted to believe that sex is real but fine to believe in 100 gender identities invented by bored teenagers on Tumblr" is clearly nonsensical.

3. There was (and is) a perfectly legitimate and realistic defence of trans rights based around gender dysphoria (a medical condition) - right to medical treatment, to non-discrimination etc. No one forced the leaders of the trans community to come up with a rationally indefensible position and the inevitable consequences of guilt tripping people into accepting it.

"get yourself into that place of understanding"

POS misogynistic

The subtext of that article about him coming out was that he had been shagging other men on the side for 20 years while lying to his poor wife. When women come out later in life that rarely the case.

He also voted against gay rights when he knew he was gay. I think that a lot of Torys are trying to make up for their awful stance on gay rights by backing trans rights.

Pffft. He's my MP and when he claimed £17k of expenses he shouldn't have he told constituents to shut up about it or he'd stay away.

Horrible man.

It's always very telling when words like 'strident' get used. It's a classic tactic to devalue what is being said by trivialising the speaker (generalised here into many women) and using demeaning language.
He's rattled, angry and has no real argument.
I respectfully suggest Mr Blunt that you do a bit more research.

Oh and also, whilst pretending to be straight, stated that homosexuals have a propensity to depend on the exploitation of youth for gratification (his words).

he said THAT? I wonder what could have made him think that is the case?
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His passionate commitment to transactivism is very interesting in the context of that remark.

Basically 'It's your fault. You made me do it.' Where have I heard that before? Hmmm

That man should be not be allowed to be involved in making laws in this country. He has shown that he cannot represent 51% of this constituents due to his bias and inability to think critically.

Never understand how anyone who genuinely thinks that they can identify as a woman, just doesn’t get this stuff!

@Siablue

The subtext of that article about him coming out was that he had been shagging other men on the side for 20 years while lying to his poor wife. When women come out later in life that rarely the case.

He also voted against gay rights when he knew he was gay. I think that a lot of Torys are trying to make up for their awful stance on gay rights by backing trans rights.

I see the same motivation in a lot of progressive religious settings - so very eager to make up for the traditional anti-LGB theology, they have embraced without question any cause with positions itself under the rainbow, and not even noticed how it hasn't stopped the misogyny and homophobia in their ranks.

@Cocothefirst
He’s been your incumbent MP since ‘97 and I see he had a decent majority at the last election. Do you think he’s got something to be worried about, or is there a possibility he’ll stand down at the next election?

@DidoLamenting, sorry I am not famous enough to interact with you! I wanted to point out to you that by bringing up (and besmirching) the name of a Youtuber that is easily found, you are only bringing more light to the cause. But maybe you are GC and that is your intention?

The only person responsible for Blunt's misogynistic ramblings is himself. Certainly not a bright and forthright young woman who died over a year ago.

I can only imagine for Blunt anything that falls short of simpering bootlicking is 'strident' in his mind when it comes to women.

Yeah, same old "you made me do it, woman" and "the violence is your fault" and "if you'd have kept your mouth shut you'd have been OK" and "you shouldn't have fought back". Same misogyny, different era and issue.

I see the same motivation in a lot of progressive religious settings - so very eager to make up for the traditional anti-LGB theology, they have embraced without question any cause with positions itself under the rainbow

I can't help but think that a lot of religious types took the wrong lesson from LGB rights.

It's not that they simply accepted the basic secular liberal arguments for not limiting the rights of homosexuals, and that they're now "making up". Oh no.

It's that they've reincorporated it into their basic world view of being Good People, as a kind of deal. "Look at us", they say, "despite the fact we still privately think homosexuals are a bit icky, we now support them with rainbows. This shows how Good and Righteous we are - loving these Sinners".

Having internalised this world-view it's now their Mission to find and Tolerate all the other poor Sinners. And the weirder their Sins the Better Person you are to support them.

It's quite a hellish symbiosis - all those people that want Validating and people who show their righteousness by finding people to Validate.

No actual logical arguments required.

I imagine misogyny feels very comfortable for a lot of religions. A progressiveness that places mens rights at the fore and shuts women down. It is familiar ground. What's new about it?

Hmm..hitting quite a lot of the rules of misogyny there Quentin

1st rule of misogyny: Women are responsible for what men do.
2nd rule of misogyny: Women saying no to men is a hate crime.
3rd rule of misogyny: Women speaking for themselves are exclusionary and selfish.
4th rule of misogyny: Women's opinions are violence against men thus male violence against women is justified.
8th rule of misogyny: Men are whatever men say they are and women are whatever men say they are.
9th rule of misogyny: Men always know the "real reasons" for everything women do and say.
11th rule of misogyny: Basic pattern recognition skills are cruel and evil when they hurt men's feelings

I was just about to post the rules of misogyny! Yes, Blunt manages to pack in a lot of them into quite a short space.

The truth is that any woman who expresses an opinion a man doesn't like is accused of being strident. Or aggressive. Or ball-breaking. Or hysterical. We all know that. The one depressing thing is that after 50 years of what seemed like progress for women, it sometimes feels as if nothing has changed at all.