Are school trip dormitories single sex?

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I'm a secondary teacher and have been asked to supervise an overnight trip next year (c19 allowing, but all pupils are in one bubble, so seems likely to go ahead). School is refusing to confirm that sleeping arrangements will be unequivocally single sex, and say exceptions could be made on a case by case basis. I've been to the relevant person in the school's wider organisation - purposefully vague for obvious reasons- who supports that stance. Can anyone advise if they have raised this with a school either as a parent or teacher, and what the outcome was?

Gay men belong in with the men/boys . Up to them to control their behaviour .

The lesbians manage it.

No ones making the bi sexuals change separately .

Ffs what nonsense

I recently had a conversation with my now Adult Dds which went along the lines of "remember when you said it was ok for Fred to come to our sleepovers because he was gay? 🤣🤣😂😂"

I didn't much enjoy realising how thoroughly they'd pulled the wool over my eyes. Teens will often use any means they can to do that .....

Why are men and boys so worried about the sexuality of the other boys and men they are in with.

Is it the girls changing room or " anyone who might not fit in on thr boys " changing room.

All men and boys should feel safe in the mens and behaviour dealt with with within the men's.

After all do the gay male pe teachers supervise the girls changing?

Why do people use that as an excuse

Course we all known its fine. Has been for decades. Gay men and boys are capable of getting on with getting changed.

Why not wait and see whether you actually have a problem to deal with?
Case by case seems quite a sensible approach to me!

No. Uts too bloody late then. And the kids deserve privacy and dignity. You don't get that buy changing om fromt of the opposite sex.

And if you let one os cos they are "lovely " then the next one kicks off cos they aren't allowed.

Single sex solves that problem.

No one should sacrifice their own safety privacy or dignity to go along with what someone else has been told. That's not their job.

I guess it depends what you mean by problem.
If you wait for a problem then really you have already failed to safeguard the children in your care.
You should anticipate where problems might arise, have a default position which is the least risk and only change from that where there are very good reasons.

Sex segregation is the protocol for safeguarding..

There are no exceptions. Its perfectly legal to segregated by sex are children are legally their birth sex.

I’d simply refuse to supervise a residential with mixed sex sleeping arrangements. I’d give the simple reason that it goes against standard safeguarding practices and I’m not doing that. However, I wouldn’t get in to a detailEd row about it or worry if anyone thought I was transphobic.

“Case by case” might work for private sleepovers in people’s homes (where parents will take a view based on the particular children involved) but it’s not an appropriate policy for organisations that need to apply universal rules, should be highly aware of safeguarding issues, and which will be held responsible when/if a teenager gets pregnant in an unsupervised mixed sex environment.

Keep going @crumpet let us know how you get on.

I will always find it shocking how the parents are having to fight so hard to safeguard their own children whilst the teachers and head teachers are trying to break down safeguarding boundaries that are known about and have been in place for decades, since overnight trips became possibles

That is what is happening, boundaries are being broken by 'educators' and parents with concerns are being dismissed.

It has to be single sex, that is what is defined in the Equalities Act.

Just to add to the mix, if the trip includes VI formers a single gender policy could have an adult male sharing with female children or a female adult with male children.

When else would that happen?