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Transgender clinic linked to teen's suicide giving 12-year-olds puberty blockers

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PronounssheRa · 10/10/2020 22:32

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-clinic-linked-teens-suicide-22824548

So this is the Mirror article about gender gp

'An undercover reporter approached the firm posing as the mum of a fictional 12-year-old named Scarlet who wanted to transition.'

'We were told Scarlet could be given puberty blockers within three weeks following a one-hour consultation with a therapist – without a follow-up appointment in person.'

Puberty blockers for a 12 year old after 1 appointment.

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nauticant · 10/10/2020 22:45

It's probably best to archive webpages like this:

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/save/www.gendergp.com/statement-from-harland-international-ltd-trading-as-gendergp/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/save/www.gendergp.com/statement-from-harland-international-ltd-trading-as-gendergp/

Cabinfever10 · 10/10/2020 22:53

I take it this is the article that the times was hinting at

PronounssheRa · 10/10/2020 22:59

I'm guessing so.

Webberley has previously said the case of the 12 yr old where she previously prescribed blockers was very unusual. Yet here is gender gp offering blockers to a fictional 12 yr old after one on line appointment.

Transgender clinic linked to teen's suicide giving 12-year-olds puberty blockers
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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 10/10/2020 23:10

I'd love to know what would have happened if the reporter had posed as the twelve year old rather than the mother...

Kaiserin · 10/10/2020 23:22

The good news, I guess, is the media is finally talking openly about these things... Not so long ago, their silence was deafening (or rather, they all sounded like propaganda machines regurgitating the same mantra)

persistentwoman · 10/10/2020 23:32

It exposes all the lies that are told doesn't it about children never being given these drugs (even by some of those who pop up on here to berate us for our wrong think)?

The more sunlight shed on these abusive practices aimed at children, the better.

Siameasy · 11/10/2020 00:35

Sunlight at last
I want to know about any recent links with Mermaids; are Mermaids recommending them?

Clymene · 11/10/2020 02:10

GendeGP are still talking about referrals from mermaids and being invited on their residential weekends www.gendergp.com/raising-a-trans-teen-podcast/

The link came off the mermaids website but parents are still extolling the ease of getting blockers from the pm according to the times recently

BitOfFun · 11/10/2020 02:45

Clymene, that podcast transcript is horrific.

ColleagueFromMars · 11/10/2020 06:15

Oh, but this never happens

Hmm
Iamhangingin · 11/10/2020 07:37

Overwhelmingly sensible and supportive comments on Times article.

As always Jo Marsh is a treasure!

PronounssheRa · 11/10/2020 07:56

By JL. Contains some interesting background.

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/these-people-should-be-in-jail

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ArabellaScott · 11/10/2020 08:00

'GenderGP operates entirely within the law and follows international published guidance on the care of transgender patients of all ages. There is no published UK medical guidance.”'

What is this mysterious international guidance? Is it that wpath thing?

And is there really no UK guidance, and if not, why not?

This is horrifying. I'm glad it's coming out. 'Bypassing safeguards' is exactly the right phrase.

FindTheTruth · 11/10/2020 08:09

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/these-people-should-be-in-jail

These people should be in jail
By JL

LetsBounce · 11/10/2020 08:15

Clear Chemist Liverpool.

They work with GPs?

Can't be Webberly and Co, can it? Not in the UK anyway.

Fishy.

Winesalot · 11/10/2020 08:17

Surely after this and the emphasis that Tavistock put on the need to provide extensive mental health support first (so they say they provide), mermaids will have to change their link to this company.

How much more needs to come out before parents realise that this is a very dodgy company to deal with and mermaids is not much better.

LetsBounce · 11/10/2020 08:19

They hide transition in schools from the parents, how long before GPs and chemists are doing the same?

FindTheTruth · 11/10/2020 08:37

Is this a link or coincidence?
GenderGP + Dr Harrop (GP) Liverpool + Chemist in Liverpool

Dr Adrian Harrop - has he worked with Dr's Webberley in any professional medical capacity since their suspension by the GMC?

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 11/10/2020 08:46

OK, I'll start off by saying straight out I am not a doctor or a scientist, but as concerned layperson I would have thought nobody should be prescribing drugs of this nature unless they have had extensive professional training in endocrinology. Would any doctor or scientist be able to say whether I'm being alarmist here? Is it safe for a GP to prescribe these drugs without specialist training in endocrinology? What sort of monitoring should be done on patients who're taking these drugs? Is it safe to prescribe with no follow up? (I take it as read it's not ethical.)

As far as I can see, neither of the Webberleys is qualified in endocrinology.

Dr HW worked as a GP for many years. Her LinkedIn profile mentions doing a course on gender variance with the Royal College of General Practitioners. I assume it's this one: www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/clinical-areas/prescribing/rcgp-drops-gender-dysphoria-course-due-to-unrealistic-expectations-on-gps/#:~:text=RCGP%20drops%20gender%20dysphoria%20course%20due%20to%20'unrealistic%20expectations'%20on%20GPs,-08%20February%202019&text=The%20RCGP%20has%20dropped%20an,outside%20of%20their%20clinical%20competence. E-learning module, no longer offered because of the RCGP's concerns that GPs were being expected to do too much in this area without the proper training and back up.

Dr MW used to be a consultant gastroenterologist in Wales.

The GMC registration page confirmes that both doctors are suspended and not allowed to practise medicine in the UK. Presumably there are conditions in place which they have not met or the suspension would have been ended. www.gmc-uk.org/doctors?text=webberley

Lumene · 11/10/2020 08:55

Whoever wrote the Mirror headline should read the Samaritans guidelines on reporting on suicide.

Winesalot · 11/10/2020 08:57

Is it safe for a GP to prescribe these drugs without specialist training in endocrinology?

The panic came because quite a number had tried to have their GPs prescribe the drugs and the GPs refused.

What I want to know is when people go to the GP or a specialist do they then even declare the drugs they are on if they get them from this clinic?

FindTheTruth · 11/10/2020 09:05

Stonewall say GPs 'have a duty' to continue the GenderGP prescriptions

Transgender clinic linked to teen's suicide giving 12-year-olds puberty blockers
Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 11/10/2020 09:16

That Pulse article seems to be restricted when you click on that link but I read the full thing earlier. Here's the text from the Google cache. It answers my question above. The RCGP doesn't think GPs should be prescribing these drugs to their patients as they lack the necessary expertise and training.

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RCGP drops gender dysphoria course due to ‘unrealistic expectations’ on GPs

08 February 2019

The RCGP has dropped an online course on gender dysphoria following GP concerns that they are being expected to prescribe outside of their clinical competence.

The e-learning course, launched in 2015 in partnership with the charity Gender Identity Research & Education Society (GIRES), was developed in response to the ‘lack of high-quality clinical guidance’, the RCGP said.

However, the RCGP decided to remove the course from its website in December as it could create ‘unrealistic expectations for patients regarding the role of the GP in initiating treatment’.

GP leaders said they should not have to ‘bear the brunt of poor access to specialist gender reassignment’ and argued they do not have the training to prescribe some of the treatments mentioned.

In 2017, NHS England published a consultation on gender identity services, asking for views on GPs’ involvement in prescribing hormone therapy.

This followed a row between the GP Committee and GMC over GPs’ concerns that they were being forced to prescribe to gender dysphoria patients without the necessary expertise. The GPC responded by advising GPs to ignore GMC guidance on the matter.

The RCGP gender dysphoria course provided guidance to GPs on how to prescribe and monitor the medication recommended by the specialist clinicians in the gender identity clinics.

Prior to the removal of the course, the RCGP made a series of changes to lessen the burden on GPs, which included the insertion of additional wording and the deletion of references.

But in a statement, GIRES – which paid the RCGP £7,837 to run the course – said the changes were made without authorisation, and undermined ‘the responsibility of GPs to precribe and monitor the medication recommended by the specialist clinicians in the gender identity clinics’.

‘Refusal of primary care support is a major detriment and GIRES could not agree to changes in a resource that was meant to help GPs to support transgender people with confidence, when the changes made are in direct contravention of NHS and GMC guidelines, and give GPs excuses to deny access to healthcare for transgender people,’ the statement said.

RCGP honorary secretary Dr Jonathan Leach said: ‘GPs should not have to bear the brunt of poor access to specialist gender reassignment services by being put in a position where they are being asked to prescribe treatment that they are not trained to prescribe or monitor safely without expert support’.

‘In the vast majority of cases, trans patients will present to the GP with the same conditions that cisgender patients do. But new presentations of gender reassignment are exceptional in general practice – it is a specialist area of medicine, and treatment should be initiated in specialist care,’ he added.

Pulse reported last year about the lack of progress on an awaited transgender service in Wales, expected to be in place by the end of March 2018 but later set to open in October.

The RCGP said it is currently funding and developing a new e-learning course for GPs on gender variance, which is set to be launched later this year.
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gardenbird48 · 11/10/2020 10:02

What I want to know is when people go to the GP or a specialist do they then even declare the drugs they are on if they get them from this clinic?
If anyone didn’t because it would be ‘outing’ then that could be extremely dangerous. Understandably it is essential for GPs to have records and knowledge of any other treatment - does the GenderGP emphasise this to their patients I wonder?

I still can’t understand how so many people are encouraging children to take powerful drugs purely because they choose to and actively discourage them from seeking alternative treatment!!

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