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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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Gottalife · 07/10/2020 16:59

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-54448646

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Antibles · 09/10/2020 00:19

@Goosefoot

There is a divide between children seeing all kinds of things and knowing they are there and being taught to behave respectfully to all, and teaching them around the nature or ethics of those things specifically.

If we accept the principle that state schools can and should do the latter, we all need to accept that it is perfectly possible that at some point, if the public or certain sectors take a different view than we ourselves do, we will simply have to accept that being taught to our kids. Or remove them to some form of private education.

It's also arguable that all education will involve some of that kind of teaching, and the question is where to draw the line. But that doesn't make it a whole lot easier to decide where the state's views takes precedent over parent's views.

I agree.
Antibles · 09/10/2020 01:06

Not sure this is going to be a popular post but since the debacle that was the introduction of the GRA, I am trying to learn the lesson of listening to people about potential concerns - Norman Tebbit in that case.

Gay couples now have the right to marry/civil partnership. This now seems to be progressing to the argument that male gay couples be enabled to add children to their families. Someone on another thread called this the reproductive justice movement I think. This inevitably entails surrogacy/egg donation which many people on FWR are unhappy about. But when males demand things of women, the pressure on women to provide tends to intensify. We are only hearing more about this, and for this reason it is still important to listen to people like this woman even if you don't agree with everything she says.

ErrolTheDragon · 09/10/2020 01:12

Was she saying anything about 'potential concerns' though, or just stating her religious dogma (which many other Christians wouldn't agree with) ?

Goosefoot · 09/10/2020 01:55

@Quaagars

Most of these evil religious parents aren’t going out of their way to introduce the concept of same-sex relationships to their young children so I really think you are overestimating the negative messages young Tommy is getting

Who said they're evil?
No-one apart from yourself.
You're missing the point, yes we know that the parents aren't going out of the way to introduce the concept of same sex relationships.
Heterosexual relationships are default "the norm" and so that's what people see if that's what they've only ever known.
Why is it wrong for children to know it's OK to be gay too?

Well it's not really the question, is it?

The implication, explicitly, is that it is ok for the state to choose sides on issues where there is not a heterogenous opinion, and teach it to children whose parents think differently. If, for example, the dominant view was that same sex marriage was not a good thing, the school could teach that view and parents who disagreed would just have to suck it up.

It's possible to teach small kids that it's not their place to criticise, make fun of, or make rude comments about other people's families, which is entirely true and applicable in pretty much 100% of school circumstances.

WhatWouldJKRDo · 09/10/2020 08:22

I think she was treated very badly. Unless she was bringing her view into her job, what she says on Facebook is none of her employer’s business. As long as she was professional at work, that’s what matter.

I think she’s very homophobic and find her views repugnant, but she has the right to express them in her personal time.

Purity firings for Wrong Think are dangerous.

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