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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Shout out to the Celts on here!

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EarthSight · 04/10/2020 11:36

Shout out to anyone here who is Welsh, Scottish or Irish!

Except for the Cardiff bubble and maybe one or two university towns, I really don't believe that most Welsh people believe in gender ideology in the same way as trans activists do. They either don't care or they would think it was incoherent nonsense if you explained it to them (especially some of the issues around sex segregated facilities).

Is it the same in Scotland, Northern Ireland and Ireland?

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Aesopfable · 04/10/2020 12:05

The SNP leadership (and therefore the party faithfully dutifully follows in line) are transactivists

Galvantula · 04/10/2020 12:24

SNP are believers, yes. Anyone I have explained the whole thing to in RL, nope.

WiserOwl · 04/10/2020 12:26

Well unfortunately Ireland has self ID
:-/

mejon · 04/10/2020 13:40

Absolutely OP. I don't believe the 'werin bobol' (your average Welsh person) would have any time for this nonsense. Unfortunately Plaid are fully behind the whole trans and non-binary movement. The one PC Assembly Member who's spoken out in support of women's rights is constantly being hounded for being a 'transphobe'. Unfortunately this very vocal minority are very influential and most outside that bubble are either too scared to speak out or are unaware of it.

ArabellaScott · 04/10/2020 13:42

Seem to be plenty of TRAs IN Scotland.

Smallsteps88 · 04/10/2020 13:47

I’m in NI. Tbh trans/self ID just isn’t something that comes up in conversation in any of the circles I run in. I have brought it up a few times with different people to try and gauge the general opinion but people are pretty oblivious to the whole thing. “Self ID” isn’t a term people have heard of, they have no idea there is a GRA or what the implications are. The only other person who has mentioned a trans issue to me is another MNer who knows I am a MNer too.

peanut2017 · 04/10/2020 14:01

Sadly in Ireland we are not paying attention to what is happening. No one is really speaking about this. Too many people trying to be nice and not to offend anyone.

Was sneakily brought this into Ireland without any proper discussion with anyone or thought to the impact it would have on women's rights

RoxytheRexy · 05/10/2020 11:26

Lots of Gender Critical Feminists in Cardiff

bellinisurge · 05/10/2020 11:28

The Barbie Kardassian stuff is drawing a few people's attention to what has been sneaked into Irish law.

Muhknaw · 05/10/2020 11:45

@peanut2017

Sadly in Ireland we are not paying attention to what is happening. No one is really speaking about this. Too many people trying to be nice and not to offend anyone.

Was sneakily brought this into Ireland without any proper discussion with anyone or thought to the impact it would have on women's rights

Sharp intake of breath is the most reaction people who had no idea of what self id is or means for our country when mentioning this current case. It's frustrating 😤
ChateauMargaux · 05/10/2020 11:52

There are a lot of people in Ireland who see self id as a logical next step to the rights to gay marriage and the right to abortion which were big changes in Ireland. Sadly, self id was not publically debated in the way these other topics were.

ArabellaScott · 05/10/2020 11:53

Is Barbie Kardashian on anyone's radar? Hasn't been reported in the news very much, at least, not the full story.

ChateauMargaux · 05/10/2020 11:57

I see it as yet another example of deep rooted misogyny in Ireland. I was saddened by the fact that a TD put forward a suggestion that the abortion amendment should be written in gender neutral language.

7Days · 05/10/2020 12:56

Which TD was that Chateau?

ChateauMargaux · 05/10/2020 13:54

Sorry.. I can't remember. I saw a clip of it but I no longer live in Ireland so I didnt recognise him.

Coyoacan · 05/10/2020 14:00

I'm Irish but have been living outside the country for many years. Just got a shock yesterday to find out that a friend of mine in Dublin has bought into this ideology hook, line and sinker. As she has three young teenage girls at home, one of whom has autism, this is particularly worrying.

MarDhea · 05/10/2020 14:30

My experience in Ireland is that the average person does not believe in gender ideology at all, isn't aware self-id exists in Ireland, is quite skeptical of the idea of trans children, and has a vague "sure what harm are they doing" view of adult trans people that falsely assumes trans = dysphoric post-op transsexual. As soon as it becomes clear that trans = anyone who says they are, the average person is immediately opposed to males in women's spaces (sport, prisons, rape crisis or domestic violence services, etc.). Similarly, as soon as they find out that puberty blockers aren't harmless pause buttons, they're against allowing children to transition.

This kind of view is very clear on Irish online anonymous forums like boards.ie, heymammy/rollercoaster, PROC, etc., and in select conversation with people irl. I've noticed that sport (esp. GAA) is often the peak trans moment for men, and prisons quite often for women. This view doesn't appear so visibly on named social media like FB or Twitter because of...

...Pockets of wokery around the country, including certain geographical areas (esp. middle class Dublin and other urban areas, which encompasses the entire staff of the IT and RTÉ, and many of the activist organisations that are now all TWAW), random cliques around the country of secondary- and university-age students (often centred around trans students they know), and individual people who get their socialisation online via social media (Instagram, tiktok, Twitter for the older folks) as opposed to via irl interactions.

The vociferous nature of these pockets of wokery is quite successful in stopping the first, larger group from speaking openly when they're peaked by the latest Barbie Kardashian or JKR pile-on or whatever.

NeurotrashWarrior · 05/10/2020 16:04

@ArabellaScott

Seem to be plenty of TRAs IN Scotland.

Except one very vocal TW who is actually fighting the gender woo and re definition of woman up there.

Oh the irony!

Stealhsquirrelnutkin · 05/10/2020 17:06

Does anyone have any suggestions of people in the Welsh assembly who would benefit from getting a letter explaining why sex segregated spaces are vitally important and must be protected?

So far I have only written to representatives in Westminster, and I don't want the Welsh assembly to think they can get away with selling women and children down the river.

Goosefoot · 05/10/2020 17:09

I don't think most average people in England really believe it either, but I'm not sure that Scotland, Ireland, or Wales are doing better in terms of actual government legislation or regulatory capture. Sort of the opposite, really.

EarthSight · 05/10/2020 17:35

@Goosefoot

I don't think most average people in England really believe it either, but I'm not sure that Scotland, Ireland, or Wales are doing better in terms of actual government legislation or regulatory capture. Sort of the opposite, really.
I never claimed that they were doing any better! Hmm The conversation wasn't about England.
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GrolliffetheDragon · 05/10/2020 17:40

I'm in Cardiff, I know one person who claims they believe TWAW, everyone else who's opinion I know would get labelled transphobic or a TERF if they tweeted their opinions.

Goosefoot · 05/10/2020 18:46

I never claimed that they were doing any better! hmm The conversation wasn't about England.

I'm not sure I understand your premise then? In most places a lot of regular people don't buy into the whole woo, but the Celtic nations aren't in great shape compared to others, so why the shout out?

MarDhea · 05/10/2020 19:03

but the Celtic nations aren't in great shape compared to others, so why the shout out?

Because the conversation on MN tends to get overwhelmed by discussion of English law, media, and organisations; perhaps unsurprisingly, given the differences in population size and the demographics of MN. And it's valid to discuss the experiences of smaller English-speaking countries to see what may be different to the dominant (English) narrative and to see what commonalities May exist. And we don't need your permission.

"What about the men England" Hmm

EarthSight · 05/10/2020 19:37

@Goosefoot

I never claimed that they were doing any better! hmm The conversation wasn't about England.

I'm not sure I understand your premise then? In most places a lot of regular people don't buy into the whole woo, but the Celtic nations aren't in great shape compared to others, so why the shout out?

It's just another way of saying hello or acknowledgment, as in 'Shout-out to the people in the back!'.....you know? It's not me running naked with a massive banner saying 'OMFG CELTIC!! SO AMAZE BALLS YEAAAHHHH'.

You seem to have taken a bit of offence to my initial most and are getting a bit defensive over something I never intended.

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