Shout out to the Celts on here!

[EarthSight]

Shout out to anyone here who is Welsh, Scottish or Irish!

Except for the Cardiff bubble and maybe one or two university towns, I really don't believe that most Welsh people believe in gender ideology in the same way as trans activists do. They either don't care or they would think it was incoherent nonsense if you explained it to them (especially some of the issues around sex segregated facilities).

Is it the same in Scotland, Northern Ireland and Ireland?

People saying everyone in the SNP supports this are wrong. I personally know MSPs and MPs who don't support it. And I have family members who are in the SNP and anti GRA

@Maria53 - Has there been any independent, reliable poll on how many SNP members are GC I wonder?

@Maria53

People saying everyone in the SNP supports this are wrong. I personally know MSPs and MPs who don't support it. And I have family members who are in the SNP and anti GRA

But how will they vote when it comes to it? The SNP MSPs and MPs don’t rebel - something which is hugely undemocratic.

@MarDhea

My experience in Ireland is that the average person does not believe in gender ideology at all, isn't aware self-id exists in Ireland, is quite skeptical of the idea of trans children, and has a vague "sure what harm are they doing" view of adult trans people that falsely assumes trans = dysphoric post-op transsexual. As soon as it becomes clear that trans = anyone who says they are, the average person is immediately opposed to males in women's spaces (sport, prisons, rape crisis or domestic violence services, etc.). Similarly, as soon as they find out that puberty blockers aren't harmless pause buttons, they're against allowing children to transition.

This kind of view is very clear on Irish online anonymous forums like boards.ie, heymammy/rollercoaster, PROC, etc., and in select conversation with people irl. I've noticed that sport (esp. GAA) is often the peak trans moment for men, and prisons quite often for women. This view doesn't appear so visibly on named social media like FB or Twitter because of...

...Pockets of wokery around the country, including certain geographical areas (esp. middle class Dublin and other urban areas, which encompasses the entire staff of the IT and RTÉ, and many of the activist organisations that are now all TWAW), random cliques around the country of secondary- and university-age students (often centred around trans students they know), and individual people who get their socialisation online via social media (Instagram, tiktok, Twitter for the older folks) as opposed to via irl interactions.

The vociferous nature of these pockets of wokery is quite successful in stopping the first, larger group from speaking openly when they're peaked by the latest Barbie Kardashian or JKR pile-on or whatever.

This is 100% correct IMO. Most people over 30 in Ireland think Transgender = post operative transsexual and don’t understand self ID.

DD is in her second year of (I believe the wokest) university and is embarrassed by my views but grudgingly- and in private only - agrees re women’s spaces and sports.

@RoxytheRexy

Lots of Gender Critical Feminists in Cardiff

Glad to hear it :) I lived there for a long time but moved away a few years ago.

The SNP had a massive boost in membership after the last indyref. Loads of young people with new politics degrees becoming active party members and more...unfortunately they seem to be a painfully woke bunch who are quick to call out any GC view as transphobic heresy.

As a lifelong supporter of Scottish Independence I am quite dismayed by what the SNP has become. They are now very much representing the views and wishes of their own politicians and councillors rather than those of the population. We have massive failings in health and education, while wasting time of issues like GRA. Women (and children) are being thrown under the bus while the party is attempting to recreate Canada in Scotland, despite plenty of evidence as to how that has gone. But from my experience the party, all the way to NS, is more comfortable with social policy and procedure than medical evidence. There is an irony in that they are certainly unafraid of criticising others (the low hanging fruit that is Trump, for example) for the same anti-expert ideology. They dont seem to see that they have chosen the wrong experts too.

It's just another way of saying hello or acknowledgment, as in 'Shout-out to the people in the back!'.....you know? It's not me running naked with a massive banner saying 'OMFG CELTIC!! SO AMAZE BALLS YEAAAHHHH'.

You seem to have taken a bit of offence to my initial most and are getting a bit defensive over something I never intended.

I'm not offended at all, other than maybe by that last poster who is somehow assuming I'm English.

I didn't quite understand what you were getting at, mainly I think because while looking at talking about the situation in other parts of the Union you seemed to be suggesting that things were going especially well, whereas my sense is that are going comparatively badly. But I guess it was more intended as just a general comment.

@Maria53

People saying everyone in the SNP supports this are wrong. I personally know MSPs and MPs who don't support it. And I have family members who are in the SNP and anti GRA

Very true. Some of the most prominent GC politicians have been SNP MSPs. Unfortunately, there is also a loud woke section, among the youth especially.

The SNP is a single-issue political party so by nature it's a broad church.

I didn't quite understand what you were getting at, mainly I think because while looking at talking about the situation in other parts of the Union you seemed to be suggesting that things were going especially well, whereas my sense is that are going comparatively badly.

If you read the OP it's quite clear that she's saying that the general public in Wales aren't buying the woke nonsense. The government is a different issue entirely.

@Goosefoot

because while looking at talking about the situation in other parts of the Union you seemed to be suggesting that things were going especially well

No - quite. It was a positive toned reach-out. Just because I chose to focus on Celtic nations, just because I was making a post about us in a way that is not totally and utterly self-flagellatory, does not mean I was going 'Yay, aren't we better in all of this'. That is definitely something you misinterpreted.

better off*

@OldCrone

I didn't quite understand what you were getting at, mainly I think because while looking at talking about the situation in other parts of the Union you seemed to be suggesting that things were going especially well, whereas my sense is that are going comparatively badly.

If you read the OP it's quite clear that she's saying that the general public in Wales aren't buying the woke nonsense. The government is a different issue entirely.

I think Plaid as a political party are no longer appealing to the Welsh generally. Some of them are maybe, but most are very focused on Cardiff and what's going on there (a place I'm fond of but I think it's making them deaf to everyone else). I feel there is a race, a competition amongst the political elite to be seen as being progressive or socially liberal as possible, and in this case it's leading down the wrong path.

I think that sorting out rural unemployment, strengthening the NHS, tackling the erosion of Welsh speaking communities, and getting a fucking grip on the whole holiday home ownership circus is a much, much more difficult and complex task than implementing social justice policies. If you look at some of the Welsh speaking forums that I'm on, those are the things that the Welsh people in Gwynedd and Ynys Môn actually care about the most. I think most of them would be very confused at what's going on with GRA, and I wouldn't be surprised in they're very similar in the rest of Wales too.

The company I work for is starting to focus on more pro-equality stuff (good idea yes?)

Some of what we do relates, in an abstract way, to violence against women and sexual abuse.

A male colleague is wondering, in all innocence, whether we should put our preferred pronouns on our email signatures.

I don't think he would even consider that there may be colleagues who object to this.
I'm not saying I do but there will be some who do. I'm wondering whether to tell him if it comes up again. I'm in Wales.