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How many women in Ireland are here?

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yesawoman · 04/10/2020 10:21

Sorry, Im sure this has been done before, but I'm new to posting here, though I was a heavy mumsnet user back in the baby days.

I am entirely gender critical, but in secret. Only talk about it with two close friends, follow debates on Twitter but don't join in because it's all so awful.

I feel like I've got to the point though where I feel I need to do something in the fight against this. But what to do? I don't really want to join in any Twitter debate because its just abuse.

Anyway I don't really know what my point is other than that I'm angry and I'm glad to connect with some like minded women.

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yesawoman · 04/10/2020 16:32

@Annasgirl

Hi All, Irish and on here. Actively involved in this issue now, but it is all down to reading everything posted by the amazing women of FWR over the past 2 years. There are lots of active feminist posters on here who live in Ireland. We don't just post on the Irish themes, we are involved in all chat around Feminism (and housekeeping, and pets and style Grin).

But this recent stuff has taken my involvement to a new level.

can i ask what 'actively involved' means, as in what are you doing? I feel like id like to do something, but i dont know what !
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XXSex · 04/10/2020 17:17

Anseo freisin

Vanillanelle · 04/10/2020 17:26

Mise freisin. I've dh and some family members bored rigid with my ranting but I'm really afraid of raising this with most friends who I know aren't remotely gender critical. I recently mentioned the cervical screening literature in a chat and there was complete tumbleweed. A few months back a doctor friend couldn't understand why women were being mean about Caster Semenya. I'd feel very lonely if I couldn't read and post here (I've recently name changed, i have been around a while). The Barbie Kardashian case has made me come out and take "proper" action with emails to TDs and women's orgs.

Jellyeggs · 04/10/2020 17:31

Here in West Wokesville, IE. Feeling hugely uncomfortable with the way things are headed and watching with baited breath to see if there is any knock on effect from everything that’s been happening in England recently.

XXOnly · 04/10/2020 17:33

Mise freisin.
My views would align closely with @EarlofEggMcMuffin.
I have great sympathy and compassion to those with genuine dysphoria. Ireland has always had very badly funded mental health services.
I am done with the sell out feminists, the bully trans women and their useful idiots. They have done well keeping this all quiet but it’s all going to fall apart.

SallySmedley · 04/10/2020 17:36

Mise Freisin! I'm living abroad though, in a country farther down the woke road than Ireland. The banning of Reddit's GC subreddit brought me here. So nice to meet you all!

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yesawoman · 04/10/2020 17:51

@Vanillanelle I feel the same I’m not wanting to raise it with some close friends. I’d like to think they wouldn’t cancel me over it but I couldn’t be sure.

I get so annoyed with Irish Feminists on Twitter who think they are the only Irish feminists who exist. Like they speak for everyone.

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irishfeminist · 04/10/2020 19:47

[quote yesawoman]@Vanillanelle I feel the same I’m not wanting to raise it with some close friends. I’d like to think they wouldn’t cancel me over it but I couldn’t be sure.

I get so annoyed with Irish Feminists on Twitter who think they are the only Irish feminists who exist. Like they speak for everyone.[/quote]
Yep. They believe Irish feminism began and ended with Repeal and that they personally own it. Even worse when they're taking orders from puppetmasters who are neither Irish nor womenAngry I could go on but this forum is closely watched.

Deadringer · 04/10/2020 20:27

I am Irish. I live in a very liberal area in South Dublin. I am gender critical and like a pp my family are sick to the back teeth of my rantings. My older dc get it but my teen dd thinks i am a total transphobe. I am not on twitter but i share lots of stuff from this board to facebook.

ForeverFaithless · 04/10/2020 20:37

I got my feminist education here over the past few years, started on the relationships board years ago and gradually started reading more here. I didn't know about self ID in Ireland until I read about it here. Still horrified that they just snuck the legislation in.

Single mum, working full time, not involved in the community in any way, so difficult to be of any influence other than to my kids and my mum. I escaped the clutches of the Catholic Church so I'm reluctant and I suppose have a degree of suspicion of local orgs.

I went onto twitter from links here but I never argue/debate. Even readingthe levelof nastiness in comments makes my brain hurt.

But I think I'm ready to step up more now and join in with real activism as opposed to sitting on the sidelines.

Like others here I despair at the level of stupidity of so called Irish feminists on twitter.

And very angry at the betrayal

EarlofEggMcMuffin · 04/10/2020 21:35

Interesting that RTE has Rupert Everett's comments on their news page.

Whoever wrote the piece says that "Transgender issues have proven to be highly contentious recently".

I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

JKRowlingforever · 04/10/2020 22:11

I'm Irish and loudly out

Vagaries · 04/10/2020 22:20

I just moved home from the UK recently and am still at the WTF? stage.

Muhknaw · 05/10/2020 10:37

Irish here too and my eldest ds in his 20s recently came out gc and was surprised that I too was gc as I naturally kept my views to myself.
Also have a trans sibling so I just kept views about them quiet while my brain could never ever accept the idea that surgery or chemical hormones can somehow change biology. It can't but I have no issues with someone feeling like they identified with opposite sex just as long as they realised that identifying isn't the same as actually being.
Womanhood and female bodies cannot be identified out of as many irish women throughout history of this country have discovered 😔

AryaStarkWolf · 05/10/2020 10:54

@irishfeminist

Anseo!
anseo freisin!
irishfeminist · 05/10/2020 11:00

My goodness! Irish TRAs insist we aren't real - surely we are just one "UK terf right winger" with 20 sock accounts?Wink

swingsandroundabouts1 · 05/10/2020 11:05

@Muhknaw

Irish here too and my eldest ds in his 20s recently came out gc and was surprised that I too was gc as I naturally kept my views to myself. Also have a trans sibling so I just kept views about them quiet while my brain could never ever accept the idea that surgery or chemical hormones can somehow change biology. It can't but I have no issues with someone feeling like they identified with opposite sex just as long as they realised that identifying isn't the same as actually being. Womanhood and female bodies cannot be identified out of as many irish women throughout history of this country have discovered 😔
This is how I feel and I think how every GC person on here feels. I do believe a law that was built in a lie will eventually collapse but it will take time.
Sundries · 05/10/2020 11:06

Womanhood and female bodies cannot be identified out of as many irish women throughout history of this country have discovered

Exactly. I'm another recently returned to Ireland person, after decades in the UK, and I'm finding it more surprising and anger-inducing to encounter the noxious Sinéad Gleeson platitudes here. I want to snarl 'Where were the people who are identifying as women when the rest of us were dealing with lack of legal, freely-available contraception, while aware that any contraceptive mistakes would see us shipping out to England for a termination?'

AryaStarkWolf · 05/10/2020 11:28

@irishfeminist

My goodness! Irish TRAs insist we aren't real - surely we are just one "UK terf right winger" with 20 sock accounts?Wink
Honestly I believe the majority of Irish people have no idea about Self ID in Ireland, I didn't until i read it here, such a sly move to do things they way they have in Ireland sneaking laws in without properly informing people of what was going on and now we have that case of that violent (towards women) transwoman being sent to a women's prison? and there's barely a murmur about it in the media.

I don't know if any of you listen to Niall Boylan but someone messaged him in asking him to discuss that case but he said he couldn't legally because it was still on going

elgreco · 05/10/2020 11:35

Anseo

Muhknaw · 05/10/2020 11:39

Warms my gc ♥ to know that I am not alone here in Ireland even though it feels like it in RL.
Feels like we live in a nation of blinkered people and "leave them off sure they're doing no harm" attitudes. Which is frustrating as no one wants to even talk about self id if you try and bring it up.
And speaking as an atheist I reject all ideology not just the dark days of catholic Ireland.

Sundries · 05/10/2020 12:16

Could someone recommend somewhere where I can read up on the exact situation in Ireland? I feel under-informed, as I'm so newly back, and no one I know is 'out' as GC.

Annasgirl · 05/10/2020 12:30

@Sundries, there are some good links on "The Countess never stood for this" on twitter. Also read some of the discussions on the forum here on the HSE and the Kardashian case as there are some good point on the legalities. Which, BTW, are much worse than even I imagined!!! So God knows what the plain people of Ireland would think were they ever to be informed.

Sundries · 05/10/2020 12:36

Thanks, @Annasgirl. Will read.

NorthernIrishFeminist · 05/10/2020 12:38

Another here, Northern Irish (as you can tell from the name) living in England. I use a variety of names here so you won't see this one much.

My family are from a rural part of the border. Those in the South are oblivious to the law change.

The support for this ideology in Ireland feels like a religion replacement. And let's face it those amongets us brought up Catholic know women's concerns on safeguarding are easily pushed aside by men. How long has it taken for the government to apologise for the laundries, this will take longer