EHRC Statement

[HecatesHat]

For info, EHRC welcomes Dfe guidelines and highlights the harmful stereotypes line...

Amazing. Everyone was falling over themselves to toe the TRA line, suddenly they are all falling over themselves to undo the harm. What happened?

I'm wondering the same. I'm really happy with the result and the ability we have now to challenge policy etc in organisations but I am also left pondering what happened

I wonder how that statement relates to Ann Sinnotts case, if at all

I'll second that, Butterer. I'm suspicious, though.

All of a sudden, how come everyone is agreeing with gc feminism? And how come nobody is calling them transphobic?

@Butterer

I was posting 'blimey' a lot on another thread related to this the other day, so I'll stay true to form.

Blimey

I'll join you Butterer

Blimey

hopefully an update from Ann Sinnott soon - maybe she's just picking herself up from the floor after a full capitulation from EHRC??

LGBT families
I think L or G families should be taught about. B families will be experienced as either straight or L/G (unless we stray into polygamy). I'm not sure what a T family is. Casually tagging T onto everything LGB causes endless complications.

Interesting how it is no longer bigoted to say stereotypes are just that..

A welcome change of course, but funny how so many TRA types are parroting what would be only a week back 'TERF dogwhistles' apparently.

Yes unwashed.

No need to teach anything on gender identity, it is a belief system not a fact. EHRC is still captured.

I assume a "T" family is the kind where the kid comes into school one day looking a bit sick and telling people that he now has 2 mums and no dad? Can't wait to see how that manifests itself in the primary curriculum 🙄

Among many questions, I do wonder about this paragraph in their guidance (highlighted on Ann Sinnott's Crowdjustice page) & wonder how they're planning to square this circle?:

“Service providers should be aware that where a transsexual person is visually and for all practical purposes indistinguishable from a non-transsexual person of that gender, they should normally be treated according to their acquired gender, unless there are strong reasons to the contrary.”

HecatesHat. Is it me that's struggling or the paragraph? Do they mean indistinguishable from the sex they are trying to transition from or to?

Aren't they supposed to be issuing a statement about the right of women to single-sex spaces?

@EdgeOfACoin

Aren't they supposed to be issuing a statement about the right of women to single-sex spaces?

Are they? I think this week we'll be hearing from Ann Sinnott, (so they should be doing something). She has had the responses but her lawyers will be checking everything with fine tooth comb before releasing anything.

The EHRC statement about someone looking like their gender is a bit daft. Women can tell, we have good radar. It's just too subjective, which has always been the trouble with gender

I would be happier if they omitted ‘Gender identity’, it means ‘Sexist stereotype’ if it means anything at all. They should have also said LGB and dropped the T.

Hang on... where the they whining a few days ago? Complaining about the gvt statement, whinging that it wasn’t good enough...

Bull-poo...

It's a fluff statement about other organisations. I'm waiting to see what they actually do/say down the line.

@BolloxtoGender

I would be happier if they omitted ‘Gender identity’, it means ‘Sexist stereotype’ if it means anything at all. They should have also said LGB and dropped the T.

Well this is it, if you reject sexist stereotypes, how do you tell a man from a woman EHRC?

@MindTheMinotaur

HecatesHat. Is it me that's struggling or the paragraph? Do they mean indistinguishable from the sex they are trying to transition from or to?

Yes they mean sex, or sex stereotypes

I mean stereotypical behaviour and clothing attributed to the female sex, so gendered stereotypes I guess, but not clear is it? MindTheMinotaur

I think many of you don’t realise that the core principle of transgender ideology hasn’t changed. They still think the state of being a man or a woman is dependent on how a person feels. That’s gender identity. They have always said that gender identity is different from gender expression, which is more about stereotypes. They’ve always said that gender expression is fluid, and not necessarily what you might expect from a person’s gender identity, which is why they have no problem with the likes of Alex Drummond in women’s spaces.

no I get that Charles

what we keep saying is you can feel how you want and present how you want but you cant rewrite or change laws and the social contract based on how someone may feel on any given day.

thats like saying on the days I feel sad I should get given free chocolate and on the days I feel happy I shouldnt. There's no way for any person to now how Im feeling inside and no way objectively to prove it.

@HecatesHat

Among many questions, I do wonder about this paragraph in their guidance (highlighted on Ann Sinnott's Crowdjustice page) & wonder how they're planning to square this circle?:

“Service providers should be aware that where a transsexual person is visually and for all practical purposes indistinguishable from a non-transsexual person of that gender, they should normally be treated according to their acquired gender, unless there are strong reasons to the contrary.”

Isn't that considered transphobic by TRAs?

I'm finding it very unnerving that the TRA's have suddenly gone so quiet. They made so much noise and daft demands and know now the general public don't buy their nonsense or bullying.