EHRC Statement

[HecatesHat]

For info, EHRC welcomes Dfe guidelines and highlights the harmful stereotypes line...

@unwashedanddazed

LGBT families I think L or G families should be taught about. B families will be experienced as either straight or L/G (unless we stray into polygamy). I'm not sure what a T family is. Casually tagging T onto everything LGB causes endless complications.

This stood out for me too - I think we really have a huge issue to unpick the T from the LGB and get back to where the equality legislation intended us to be.

It's unnerving in that the reverse ferret allows them to say what GC women have been saying for years, all wth an exclamation mark, cos it's obvious isn't it? What have you wimmins been shouting about?

The Mermaids statement, obfuscation, lie, twist, does exactly that! Of course we don't go into schools and tell teachers to accept without question! Why would anyone do that?

@charlestonchaplin

I think many of you don’t realise that the core principle of transgender ideology hasn’t changed. They still think the state of being a man or a woman is dependent on how a person feels. That’s gender identity. They have always said that gender identity is different from gender expression, which is more about stereotypes. They’ve always said that gender expression is fluid, and not necessarily what you might expect from a person’s gender identity, which is why they have no problem with the likes of Alex Drummond in women’s spaces.

But then that's not what that passage is saying, it's saying the opposite. That if they look female they can have access.

@Whatsnewpussyhat

I'm finding it very unnerving that the TRA's have suddenly gone so quiet. They made so much noise and daft demands and know now the general public don't buy their nonsense or bullying.

I'm wondering what sort of strategising is going on at Stonewall.

Actually Charles, I do understand what they mean. They mean that their fluidity means they can be what they want to be, when they want to be... and so can access any space they feel is appropriate, regardless of any law, implied social contract, current occupants thoughts and feelings.

Saying gender identity is different from gender expression is the same as saying my sex does not rely on whether or not I am wearing a skirt! Utter codswallop! Ideology masquerading as common sense.

You know how in those old westerns the sergeant turns to the lieutenant and says "I don't like it, it's too quiet!" And then he gets an arrow through his head and swarms of natives attack from all directions?

I'm thinking: I don't like it, it's too quiet.

@averylongtimeago

You know how in those old westerns the sergeant turns to the lieutenant and says "I don't like it, it's too quiet!" And then he gets an arrow through his head and swarms of natives attack from all directions?

I'm thinking: I don't like it, it's too quiet.

Same

Just bloody do away with all these new made up non sense words altogether, rather than trying to untangle and unpick the meaningless nonsense, which is exactly what the manipulation of language is meant to do. So many logical fallacies embedded in that language.

Placemarking to read later

EHRC need to drop the non sense language, why play the game on their terms?

Little boxes little boxes, and they're all made out of ticky tacky and they all look the same.

@MindTheMinotaur

HecatesHat. Is it me that's struggling or the paragraph? Do they mean indistinguishable from the sex they are trying to transition from or to?

Now that I've read it again I think they might. It's so CONFUSING

They mean the sex they are transitioning to. I think the ' indistinguishable' etc reference might be taken from some of the scant case law. Possibly predating the gra? The court found that it would be detrimental to the transsexual person's right to privacy if she was ' outed' by being treated differently to other women, because she was indistinguishable from a natal woman (in the judge's opinion I guess).

Ehrc's statement about the gra was definitely not a reverse ferret, or at all sympathetic to what gcf campaigners have been arguing. So this must be specific to this guidence, or things have changed in the last week.

These very short statements are odd.

That paragraph - are they referring to 'passing privilege'? Seems a bit off...

I'm thinking: I don't like it, it's too quiet.

The quietness implies that Stonewall has been given the heads up and told to keep schtum.

We wont know much until Ann Sinnott makes a statement.

Once her statement is made, I intend to write (handwritten not e-mail) to Dominic Cummings (yes I know, the devil incarnate) to point out that the impartiality of government organisations is under threat (I think he knows this)

I have been thinking about this for some time. If EHRC do not comply with Ann's directions, this means a long wait for the court case.

I for one do not intend just sitting it out. Will be putting up a post asking for input. God, I'm so fed up again, all this stupid obfuscation