Mermaids mentioned in the daily mail.

[Wandawomble]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8776765/Teachers-told-stop-pushing-tomboys-change-gender.html
Sorry if it’s already been posted

@Wandawomble

We haven’t become more right wing, the left’s papers have just allowed this scandal to grow and fanned the flames of the JKR burning and are complicit in the harm of children.

It's funny to me as a Communist Party of Britain member to see TRAs trying to cancel us and failing. There's nothing left wing about all this, it's a hyper-capitalist, pseudo-religious cult, and its followers' claim to "identify as" left-wing holds about as much material significance as their claim to identify as some nebulous gender. You can't have proper class analysis of issues that affect certain groups if you can't agree on a material definition for that particular group. Engels, co-author of the Communist Manifesto, wrote "Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State" that lays out the theory on where misogyny comes from, and it's tied to our sex, it's about "controlling the means of producing labour" and ensuring the paternity of any children. That meant controlling women younger and younger, and controlling boys to be the future enforcers of this hierarchy and this is where misogyny, gender roles, the concept of virginity, and paedophilia come from. I've never yet heard an explanation from TRAs for misogyny - presumably they think people just hate anyone who calls themselves "she"? Chinese communists even have a word for this sort of virtue signalling neoliberal who calls himself a leftist but has no actual interest in and makes no effort towards collective organising: "baizuo", literally "white left". It's kind of like "SJW" but it's explicitly a left wing insult, not an alt-right one. The biggest communist party in the world has spoken, and they're sick of these creeps ruining the left.

Is this true?

"Mermaids told The Mail on Sunday that while the charity offers training for teachers, it does not offer classroom talks and lesson materials for pupils in England and Wales"

Really not? Is that all done by Stonewall?

Even if they don’t walk into the classroom - training teachers to deliver their ‘ideas’ is the same flipping thing....

Of course the snag with some members of a religion is that by being a member you are automatically godly, which means that your opponents are equally automatically ungodly or even evil and ‘ thou shalt not suffer a witch to live’

I was thinking of "lesson materials". I would have sworn that I read somewhere that Mermaids supplied those.

Douglas Murray on the JHB show this morning.

"There's an extremist group called Mermaids that's done a lot of running into the mainstream in recent years. It finally admitted at the end of last week, no child is born in the wrong body. Well some of us have been saying that for a very long time. Why has Mermaids started saying it? I'll tell you why. Because they see what is coming, and should be coming, at all these people, which is a massive amount of lawsuits. People should be suing the hell out of these groups who lied about biology, who lied about human beings and are responsible, I would suggest, for the maltreatment of a very large number of young people who we should as a society be caring about the most."

A clear, concise message without all the waffle. Thankyou Douglas and Julia

On the subject of 'left wing'... last time I looked, the Morning Star wasn't generally considered part of the 'Tory press'.
The supposed-leftie wokesters might want to ponder that. (Except I would guess many have never read anything from it at all)

I couldn't see the other thread quickly but I think this is the school governor/vicar that provided the transcript of the Mermaids school training session he attended. He studied biology at Oxford and, among other things, was horrified at the biology untruths as well as the law and safeguarding. The school didn't want to tell parents of other children.

Just shocking - the child was 8.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7070773/amp/Vicar-resigns-schools-plan-eight-year-old-pupils-sex-change-secret-parents.html

I hope there is a resource of screen shots out there of Mermaids and their followers pushing the '#NoDebate as well as other things they are back-peddling on. It'll be really useful when the court cases start flowing in, especially all the creep 'training' they try to push in schools. I also hope Stonewall gets caught up in the backlash too.

A little sad to say as a gay woman but they dug their own graves and originally wanted to pull everyone else down there too so to hell with them.

There was a recording somewhere if the session with the vicar and the way he was treated was appalling. I hope his bishop is going to apologise now.

@ErrolTheDragon

Some of it's that as you experience more of life, you better appreciate what is actually worth conserving.

Yes, and and have a better sense of how changes can play out over time, for good or ill.

Suffrajester

That's very interesting about the "white left".

I mentioned this on the other thread, but I think where a lot of the confusion has come from is that traditional leftism is simply not really what is now found among those who think of themselves as leftists. And it's similarly true on the right, traditional conservatism was always suspicious of capitalism, it was nothing like the economic libertarianism that people think of as conservative today. Neither of them were necessarily socially progressive.

both modern conservatism and progressivism seem to be mainly about individualism and global capitalism now. I used to have an aquaintance who was a very strict member of the Russian Orthodox Church, though an American Baptist by birth, and he often seemed rather crazy and far out. But he called how gender ideology was going to play out 15 years ago, and all the language stuff around it. And he also would bang on a lot about the fact that in the US and UK, voting was a matter of choosing tweedledumb or Tweedledee - the same thing witha a marginally different packaging. He maintained that it was better not to vote than give a mandate to any of them. He always seemed like kind of a nutter really but looking back, maybe not.

I've just watched the Sunday morning live clip and I appreciate it's hard to discuss in a few minutes on mainstream tv. I'm glad it's getting this much oxygen and I hope that continues, but it still felt like only part of the debate. There was very little said that explains the difference between sex and gender, for example.

One point that does annoy me is the complaint that it shouldn't be this difficult to change your gender. But it's incredibly difficult to change any aspect of the data on your birth certificate, and rightly so, for the purposes of high standards in identification. If the documents we rely on for so many things are to have credibility, they must not be flexible.

I can't change my eye colour, or my birth weight, and to change my name requires application and consideration, review the deed poll process for more information.

Gender, being a social construct, is flexible, and therefore is less appropriate as a marker for identification anyway, whereas biological sex is what is recorded on the birth certificate precisely because it's inflexible.

Obligatory pre-emptying of the intersex issue, yes a small proportion of people aren't easily observable as one sex or the other at birth. We are still a sexually dimorphic species. In the same way that some famous comedians, Olympic athletes and other everyday people were born with only one foot, but that doesn't stop humans being essentially bipedal.

Please may I look at it now?

One point that does annoy me is the complaint that it shouldn't be this difficult to change your gender.

Philip Bunce apparently does it a couple of times a week. 'Gender' should have no relevance to identification documents, other than that some who make a more consistent change in presentation would want to get their passport photo updated sooner than 10 years.
Maybe it should be possible to add a 'gender' descriptor to some documents, without changing the sex. Somewhat analogous to place of birth being fixed, even if you now live elsewhere?

There appears to have been a post deleted mentioning Steve Hassan. He’s a (possibly the) leading cult expert and he has very serious concerns about this issue. He has tweeted about it and I’ve had personal email correspondence with him. Are we allowed to share his views here?

twitter.com/cultexpert/status/1279799792974147588?s=21

“ As a mental health professional and someone who has researched undue influence, I have interviewed 12 detransitioners M-F-M and F-M-F who have read my work on cults and mind control. Several told me they watched trans “hypno porn”. They gave me links to watch what they watched. I am trained by the top international experts in clinical hypnosis AND I have also studied hypnosis used by cult leaders for 4 decades.

What I watched was weaponized mind control. And why would trans advocates treat detransitioned people like they are traitors, just like Moonies treat ex-Moonies like myself? Cult playbook. Am I speaking against adults who choose to transition as adults after appropriate therapy and guidance? No. I am not! But too many young people are getting recruited. Not sure? Do research. Talk to Detransitioners and mental health professionals who have vast experience.

Please study my Influence Continuum and BITE model. Also, conversion “therapy” is destructive mind control and does not work either!”

Wow that’s interesting. I remember when I Studied psychology reading about how extreme religions/political parties/etc control their followers - keeping them in constant physical discomfort, pure focus, chants and phrases that must be obeyed, use of ‘cold shouldering’/warm praise to make people clamour for their approval... I had a boss like that once.

I once got sucked in by a MLM company. Thankfully I saw the light and got out, but not before losing friends and a lot of money.

I recognised the same tactics being employed in the way SW, MM et al do in schools, universities and other organisations. It is very, very easy to brainwash humans. Particularly young, naive and vulnerable humans.

Huh. My first thought was the Moonies.

And the difficulties of deprogramming.