AIMS Ireland use Pregnant People, use TERF slur

[Aine82]

My poor friend who AIMS helped greatly has just been on to me, really upset. AIMS are a voluntary organisation fighting for better maternity care in Ireland. They have changed their language to erase women, and use “pregnant people”. Apparently they still use women and girls the odd time. Check out their Twitter reply to those criticising their decision:

twitter.com/AIMSIreland/status/1310160153661108224

“Yes. We block. When your sole focus is to undermine the rights of others, while ignoring the very real injustices in the Irish maternity system, you have no place here. #antichoice #terfs”

They've been like this for a long time. The entire Repeal campaign was captured by TRAs. Although funnily enough, when it came to the final push with Together for Yes, they temprarily dropped the "pregnant people". It's almost as though they knew damn well that the plain people of Ireland wouldn't go for that shite.

Ireland is becoming woke as shit, and this worries me (as we might move there in the near future). I don’t know the attitudes in the countryside but in Dublin, I’m very surprised by how much it’s changing. Like they’ve traded in the Catholic Church for this woke religion

Oh yes, it is 100% trading one religion for another. What is it about us - is it the post colonialism that we have no capacity for critical thought? I also agree that Repeal became TRA at the end - which disgusted me, as someone who was involved in this campaign before most of the TRA's were a glint in their father's eye!

Wow. Their Twitter feed is something to behold.

Fuck sake

Mmen in dresses tellingmna na hEireann about our own bodies and lives.
Will we never be free of it

One of the responses to that tweet has this sentence in it:
"Also, I am horrified to hear that Irish people are being stopped from being with their partners in the Maternity ward!"

It's by someone who likes the usage of 'pregnant people.' Still cannot see that replacing 'women' with 'people' in this context sometimes creates word salad as is the case with that sentence. It could refer to visitors not being allowed to have their partners with them, for instance.

Can you say maternity ?

What is the none sex indicating term ? Humanity ward ?

Sigh. This is slightly different from the HSE in terms of the standards they can be held to but certainly evidence of the same process of capture.

Imagine being afraid to mention in an organisation like that that, well, 99.9% of service users are still women, so.... Like does anyone even bring it up anymore? It's seriously tragic!

Personhood ward? Peopleness services?

Can you say maternity ?

What is the none sex indicating term ? Humanity ward ?

Don't give them ideas!

Mxternity? Perternity? Manternity?

When your sole focus is to undermine the rights of others, while ignoring the very real injustices in the Irish maternity system, you have no place here

Literal description of trans rights activists. Talk about DARVO...

Woah, that is some hard core Kool Aid swallowing right there isn't it?!

Someone should write a gc book about the hammer that the demands for inclusiveness have become as a tool to bash women's heads below the parapet. The word no longer has the meaning most assume it has, because it means validating the gender identities of a tiny minority while invalidating the gender definitions of a huge majority.

So if it is 'people' who become pregnant, 'woman' is decoupled from biological sex altogether and must therefore take on the kind of meaning the gender theorists want it to have which, for me, is either empty or severely sexist.

This is getting really serious here. I'm trying to find women's organisations that are aware of going on. Why are women always shafted. I'm sorry to say a lot of the shafting is done by women with this incessant need to be nice, inclusive at the cost of our own rights.

This group seems to get it womensspaceireland.ie

What can we start to do? Anything from the Uk fight that we can do in Ireland?

@aliasundercover

Can you say maternity ?

What is the none sex indicating term ? Humanity ward ?

Don't give them ideas!

Mxternity? Perternity? Manternity?

I am laughing at some of these but give it a few months and it will be changed, cos Maternity isn’t inclusive enough

@nepeta

Someone should write a gc book about the hammer that the demands for inclusiveness have become as a tool to bash women's heads below the parapet. The word no longer has the meaning most assume it has, because it means validating the gender identities of a tiny minority while invalidating the gender definitions of a huge majority.

So if it is 'people' who become pregnant, 'woman' is decoupled from biological sex altogether and must therefore take on the kind of meaning the gender theorists want it to have which, for me, is either empty or severely sexist.

That’s exactly what they are trying to do. Destroy the word woman as we know it. They want the word woman to encompass biological males.

I will never accept this. I will never be “cis”.

@peanut2017

This is getting really serious here. I'm trying to find women's organisations that are aware of going on. Why are women always shafted. I'm sorry to say a lot of the shafting is done by women with this incessant need to be nice, inclusive at the cost of our own rights.

This group seems to get it womensspaceireland.ie

What can we start to do? Anything from the Uk fight that we can do in Ireland?

Yep, a few women I have spoken to have come back with the “well if my kids were trans I would like them be able to identify as how they wish” and when they frame it like that it makes you look unreasonable. But when we break it down further, if one of those kids was gay you would then be ok with a lesbian having to accept dick and if not she is a vagina fetishist, and anything less is transphobia, they’re like “of course not!”

I think a lot of women go with the flow and are only now realising how badly this affects them and their kids.

I would love to have a space to discuss this. I only learned about Barbie Kardashian via Mumsnet!

Aine82
Barbie Kardashian was not widely reported on. I have discussed the case with several people. Nobody had heard of it. When I explained it, they didn't believe me. People in Ireland are clueless about Self ID.

I just posted on the other thread about the Yogyakarta Principles which have no legal standing but are being referred to in the GRA Review in June 2018 as something objectively worthy in relation to 'gender identity' and which should be uncritically implemented.

The Yogyakarta Principles +10 were published 10 yrs later. Erasure of sex on legal documents such as birth certs is advocated. Erasure of the word women. Maybe the legislature which self-congratulates itself as the most woke advanced legislature into world are on to that already. This time women can be trodden in the name of progress and tyranny rights.

A) Ensure that official identity documents only include personal information that is relevant, reasonable and necessary as required by the law for a legitimate purpose, and thereby end the registration of the sex and gender of the person in identity documents such as birth certificates, identification cards, passports and driver licences, and as part of their legal personality;

Below is an interesting critique of the 'Y Principles' and they way it operates against women wrt 'gender identity'. And remember the 'Yogyakarta Principles' have no legal basis!

objectnow.org/2018-7-27-yogyakarta-principles-international-threat-to-womens-rights/

I don't even think you'd even have to wait until those children grow up. Are the mothers happy for self ID for scout leaders and such on sleepovers etc. Or men identifying as women in similar situations where other males wouldn't normally be in close contact with girls.

Thanks for that link Cailleach1.
I am just wondering will midwives have to become midpersons?

Good luck Irish women

We are fighting against this in Scotland.

The erasure of women

That dirty word women

Good luck sisters.

I'm in Wales where our (Labour) government are unicorn-riding, glitter-cascading, and woke. They seem to be determined to disagree with anything the the Tories do, and very keen to dismantle women's rights.

We are learning from the campaign groups in England and Scotland - and getting fantastic support from them. A bit of solidarity goes a long way. We just can't let this one go. It's too important.

@Custardcream1244

Aine82 Barbie Kardashian was not widely reported on. I have discussed the case with several people. Nobody had heard of it. When I explained it, they didn't believe me. People in Ireland are clueless about Self ID.

We’re clueless but we are kept in the dark!

@Cailleach1

I don't even think you'd even have to wait until those children grow up. Are the mothers happy for self ID for scout leaders and such on sleepovers etc. Or men identifying as women in similar situations where other males wouldn't normally be in close contact with girls.

That’s terrifying!