Stella creasy asks women about misogyny

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But apparently we did it all wrong!

“Tell me about misogyny- no not like that!!!”

And this is why Labour are going to have to do so much better to get my vote back

Unfortunately, there is a strain of misogyny in Labour, always has been, that this feeds into. Also a kind of hair-shirty Puritanism that secretly quite enjoys coming down on the idea that women might get too comfortable. It quite likes the idea of us suffering picturesquely. Possibly out of a fear that if we stopped suffering, we'd stop voting Labour.

The same people who rather like revelling in guilt, particularly if they can blame the West, or blame the patriarchy. But little interest in actually doing anything practical to improve anyone's lives.

I should add that I was until Corbyn a long-term Labour supporter. But admit they can be quite annoying!

Disappointed in Stella, who has been a pretty good egg in the past, done meaningful work on payday loans and was involved in getting women put on the something-pound notes. My dh also knew her at school!

I can only assume she's of that generation who appear to be bizarrely blind to the logical inconsistencies and ultimate outcomes of TWAW.

This is all so interesting and eye opening.

On another thread I just was saying about how I remember watching a speech by Bob crowe. And saying to DH, when he talks about the workers, he means men. He's not got the cleaners etc on his radar. He is working for men. Some women do the jobs he covers. Not the point. It's a thing made for men by men to support men. He speaks to men.

Our political and legal system was set up by men for men. And that continues. Irrespective of the colour of the politics.

This is never more apparent than now.

Labour have expelled, or made positions untenable, for female activists who have worked for them in various roles for decades. They never stopped to think, hold on, is it really likely that these long term activists have become crazed right wing bigots overnight? No. Why the fuck not?

The labour party have really fucked this up. Thing is if you're a right on lefty activist, you are the Good Guy. As the lefty good gang, it's literally impossible that there is a problem with anti-Semitism or misogyny or anything like that.

So they haemorrhaged families of dyed in the wool labour supporters who were Jewish. And they haemorrhaged and continue to lose women.

But these losses must be because the people leaving are, I don't know. Stupid? Led astray? Secret right wingers?

A question on that. I don't really do Twitter but I click from here sometimes. The labour tweet thingy has nearly 1000 responses, most saying, this is bollocks, what are you doing, this is why I left, this is why I am leaving. No response from the labour party. This seems standard on Twitter things I click on. Shouldn't they respond, address the points? Or something? I don't get it. I need Twitter explained!

Also was chatting to DH.

I think it is based on misogyny. Of course.

Women are fine when they are stuffing envelopes, knocking on doors, going to meetings and saying the right thing.

The idea that women in labour might say hold on, what is this? Goes against what women are supposed to be doing. It's difficult to compute. There must be something wrong with them. Chuck them out.

They forget that women are 51% of the population and we are not just passive tea making cheerleaders.

Their ingrained, really deep seated misogyny means they prioritise a tiny minority over all women. Because like so many men and male institutions around the world, they don't really see women as full equal human beings.

It's been educational. Very educational indeed.

Unfortunately, there is a strain of misogyny in Labour, always has been, that this feeds into. Also a kind of hair-shirty Puritanism that secretly quite enjoys coming down on the idea that women might get too comfortable. It quite likes the idea of us suffering picturesquely. Possibly out of a fear that if we stopped suffering, we'd stop voting Labour.

By xxyzz

Old man OJ was apoplectic with rage when 'the plebs' didn't vote as he smugly expected them to last time.

I attended some meetings of our local Labour Party at the start of the year when I tried to join them (they later rescinded my membership application for having been a member of Women’s Equality party). One meeting they had a guest speaker from a different CLP to speak on why they lost the election, he was a young, angry, woke Momentum type. He actually used the phrase “why people voted wrongly”. This is what they believe - that people voted wrong. Not that those seeking power have any duty to find out what the people they seek to represent actually think, want and need, and because they failed to do that, people chose not to support them - but that the voters are wrong, they are right, how can they get those stupid voters to see that they are right?

@Cwenthryth
This is one of the biggest problems with woke types, they are so convinced of their absolute correctness that they refuse to even countenance the possibility that their ideas will have bad unintended consequences. Even worse for them is the thought that they might be wrong, their egos can’t stand it, so they react aggressively when challenged and forced to face their own cognitive dissonance, stamping down hard on any inconvenient evidence of their wrongness.
Essentially, they’ve gone a bit fascist.

NiceGerbil I did tell my CLP chair why I was leaving but he didn't get it.
Wasn't there an analysis of why they lost that blamed almost everything except the issue of not knowing what a woman is?

I don't believe they lost all those votes directly because of this issue but I do think they leaked members who would normally have done a lot of the election spade work - the unsung, unglamorous leafleting and canvassing and so forth.

There were so many posts on here in December - ok anecdotal but still - about canvassers being rude and getting into arguments on the doorstep. It's such a basic error that I can only assume local parties had drafted in a load of enthusiastic new-ish members who didn't have a clue how to do it.

It will have hurt them and it will continue to hurt them because that kind of expertise is not easily replaced.

Lots of women and Jewish people pissed off. And those who support them.

Weak on Brexit. JC doesn't like EU for different reasons to the mainstream but the result was dithering and no firm statements.

Momentum being return to 'loony left' of the 80s.

Probably other stuff. They seem unable to face up to any of it.

I left the labour party over the shortlists.

@xxyzz

Disappointed in Stella, who has been a pretty good egg in the past, done meaningful work on payday loans and was involved in getting women put on the something-pound notes. My dh also knew her at school!

I can only assume she's of that generation who appear to be bizarrely blind to the logical inconsistencies and ultimate outcomes of TWAW.

She's in her mid 40s. Same generation to me. I don't think she can be excused on the grounds of her age.

Re. the Momentum activist mentioned upthread who complained that the people had voted wrong - I'm always reminded of this bit from Terry Pratchett:

"People on the side of The People always ended up disappointed, in any case. They found that The People tended not to be grateful or appreciative or forward-thinking or obedient. The People tended to be small-minded and conservative and not very clever and were even distrustful of cleverness. And so the children of the revolution were faced with the age-old problem: it wasn't that you had the wrong kind of government, which was obvious, but that you had the wrong kind of people."

@Mollyollydolly

She makes me rage. I should be out campaigning for her - instead I'm sending thank you emails to Liz Truss, Doyle Price and a Tory Baroness. And they wonder why the red wall fell. I couldn't be more disappointed.

You nailed it there!

Terry pratchett thing

Pratchett should be required reading for politicians, so long as they don't decide that the Ankh Morpork version of 'one man, one vote' is the way to go.

I left Labour over Lily M and their stance on GRA and self ID. When Rosie Duffield was getting loads of abuse I wrote to my (male) Labour MP and Keir Starmer. I told them why I had left and asked them to asked them to stand up for Rosie and women in general. Cited Judicial reviews pending, the abuse TRAs are giving women, that women are being silenced, threat to women's rights etc...
No reply from Starmer and 6 weeks later a reply from MP that focused pretty much entirely on what Labour have done for LGBT rights nd how committed they are to them, just a cursory mention of women at the end. Then said they hope I will rejoin! No reply to my reply yet. Or my other more specific email about children transitioning and how to safeguard same sex spaces.

Well looking at all the other dominos falling in the UK, it seems, once again, Labour are on the wrong side of history. I wonder who will be the first to jump ship and defect to the sane side? Or maybe they will all go down with the ship?

I'll always remember Rayner saying that she was keeping the green benches warm for Lily Madigan. A person who has since been accused of sexual harassment by fellow students and who, it turns out, is not quite the political star...

This has always boggled my mind a bit. Madigan, from my observation, is a fairly dim bulb, has less ability to think analytically than my pre-teens and is utterly devoid of charisma.

Was she that focused on woke points?

@ErrolTheDragon

Pratchett should be required reading for politicians, so long as they don't decide that the Ankh Morpork version of 'one man, one vote' is the way to go.

I could live with Lord Vetinari running the show to be honest.

I wonder what Vetinari would do with Dominic Cummings. “Hang” him and then set him to...

Now we know why she had to block Maya and others:

mobile.twitter.com/ForwomenScot/status/1313580935561064449

Stonewall online bootcamp against misogyny (lol) with Stella Creasy

(Great thread, ForwomenScot! "It's like Trump offering a bootcamp on Covid prevention")

The brass neck of Stonewall.

Campaigning for the removal of single sex spaces.
Reframing same sex attraction to same gender attraction.
The cotton ceiling and TW (heterosexual males) calling themselves lesbians.
The push of gender identity - over sexed based oppression
The push of gender based - highly misogynistic - ideology.

The sooner they fall, the better.

I can only assume she's of that generation who appear to be bizarrely blind to the logical inconsistencies and ultimate outcomes of TWAW.

Stella Creasy is older than me by a few months. I don't think it's a generational phenomenon. I don't know anyone, male or female, who believes twaw.