Stella creasy asks women about misogyny

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But apparently we did it all wrong!

“Tell me about misogyny- no not like that!!!”

And this is why Labour are going to have to do so much better to get my vote back

I think being a feminist MP in the Labour Party at the moment can't be much fun! They're probably used to a lack of support from men but this issue is so divisive for women. It's annoying to see women's concerns being dismissed though. Particularly in the light of a growing body of evidence that supports those concerns. At some point the LP may have to rethink the rigidity of their line on this. It's costing them a lot of votes.

Do people like Stella Creasy and Angela Rayner ever think?

I'll always remember Rayner saying that she was keeping the green benches warm for Lily Madigan. A person who has since been accused of sexual harassment by fellow students and who, it turns out, is not quite the political star Rayner hoped he was. Did Rayner never stop to think what a hostage to fortune she was creating? Has she ever stopped to think since what an error of judgement that was?

Have either Creasy or Rayner noticed the women leaving the Labour Party because of its stance on this issue? Or the female readers deserting the Guardian? The thousands of women pushing Troubled Blood to the top of the best seller list in solidarity with JK Rowling?

Do they ever think that when lots of women cite as examples of misogyny the number of men invading women's spaces that these are real women who represent a real constituency with a real point of view? That far from being a minority, they represent what the majority of women in this country think? You know, those 30m+ women whose votes you're going to need to win back if you want to stand a chance of ever winning another general election? And that the people who bore on about trans rights are mostly just a few very loud voices on Twitter and in lobby groups like Stonewall?

Do they ever engage their tiny little brains and think?

@FloralBunting

"Tell me all about your experience of misogyny. I want to do a real time demonstration of how women are dismissed and men are centred in all their glory."

Perfectly put

@Lottapianos

Sorry I'm on a roll..... the bloody NERVE of her asking women to be brave and come forward and share their stories while shes running scared from maybe one of the biggest threats we face

Yes. SC is not a brave woman. We have such women on here. If SC wants to know what bravery looks like she should spend some time here.

She makes me rage. I should be out campaigning for her - instead I'm sending thank you emails to Liz Truss, Doyle Price and a Tory Baroness. And they wonder why the red wall fell. I couldn't be more disappointed.

@Mollyollydolly

She makes me rage. I should be out campaigning for her - instead I'm sending thank you emails to Liz Truss, Doyle Price and a Tory Baroness. And they wonder why the red wall fell. I couldn't be more disappointed.

me too - I'm a labour party member of whats left of the party in Scotland and I'm like you writing to Liz Truss and cheering a Baroness and hoping the Labour Party don't get in to fuck over women for the next generation. HOW THE HELL DID IT COME TO THIS???

Another one sitting here feeling grateful to the Tories and really not enjoying it. Shame on Labour that its come to this

I rejoined Labour to vote for Nandy in the leadership election. What a deluded fool I was, ending up voting for Starmer. There wasn't a woman I could vote for ..

I've got Pink Floyd as an ear worm now...

Stella you've just put another blue brick in the wall....

@Imnobody4

This is what kicked of the complaint and blocking. I have zero respect for Stella.

If Creasey had an ounce of integrity, she would surely have countered the whiners with a robust 'I don't agree with everything every woman says, but I will defend her right to say it without being subjected to violent, misogynistic abuse'.

Would that have been so hard? Really?

@Mollyollydolly

I rejoined Labour to vote for Nandy in the leadership election. What a deluded fool I was, ending up voting for Starmer. There wasn't a woman I could vote for ..

I rejoined to vote for Starmer but he's still got to prove himself to me...

SC just doesn't seem to get this issue. She's clearly not a stupid woman so I'm not sure if she's just chosen a side even though she can see how illogical and incoherent the TWAW side is. Or does she really believe it?

Stella Creasy was writing in the Telegraph yesterday about this, and she specifically name-checked Stonewall as being involved in lobbying the Law Commission. Now, I just can’t think what possible role Stonewall could play in advocating for criminalising misogyny, if it isn’t to make sure that the definition of it includes transwomen.
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/making-misogyny-hate-crime-has-nothing-do-wolf-whistling/amp/

I genuinely don't think most women on that side of the divide have really considered the evidence. I was one - I only heard one side, from people I liked and trusted, and was confident I was completely right. To the point I first came to FWR to correct the horrible transphobia, and awful lies, and went digging for the stats and studies proving that trans women offend at the same rates as any other women, and that nobody was suggesting eg rape crisis shelters or convicted rapists should be at issue, and so on. My original aim was to post a careful, detailed rebuttal, proving the concerns were wrong. But I just kept finding more and more proving that the person who was wrong was me, and so I stopped trying to write a post castigating the bigotry, and joined the wrong crowd.

You don't know you're wrong if you never engage with the evidence that proves it. We're dealing with huge levels of cognitive bias.. And if you're someone who accepts being spoon-fed by Stonewall, and never look into things personally, you won't know.

The one I resent most is Jess Phillips, because my feeling is that she has looked into it, and does know, but has chosen her career instead.

The real enemy here is the patriarchy, not other women in all their glory

This is stupid. Being male or female is neither good nor bad, but you can't change the patriarchal system if you pretend that sex doesn't exist.

Stella Creasy knows that she needed particular rights when she had her baby. She knows that for the last 20+ years all prime ministers have been men with very young children, except the one who was a woman and who had no children.

The easiest way to fight the patriarchy would be to simply join it, but without the ability to change sex our only options are to fight for our rights as women, and then continue to fight to hold onto them, or pretend we don't exist.

Morning glory?

Labour Party twitter has tweeted they still support self id. It's not going well for them in the replies though. I think they want to lose.
twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1309070203377127427

I won't be voting Labour again, even if they were to turn around tomorrow and say look we will scrap self ID and keep womens single sex spaces forevermore...I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them.

Even when I think things might change, they might listen you get people like Stella pretending to listen, then quick as you like just shitting on women instead. It's horrific to see and they can all just fuck off into the sunset as far as I'm concerned now. And take the Lib Dems with them, who I was going to vote for once upon a time before Jo Swinson shat on us too.

I met that Stella Creasy in a pub once. She was work colleagues with my boyfriend at the time and 4 of us went for a drink. Only she did that thing that ambitious and obnoxious people do: only spoke to the men. I didnt exist. I had no value or anything to contribute. For the whole 3+ hours we sat in a quiet North London pub, it appeared I wasnt actually there, because she assumed I had no value. Shame for her that within a few years I had a job that actually could have been extremely valuable to her, but hey ho, she obviously could never have expected that.

That was before she became an MP - on her climb up the greasy political pole. Very occasionally since then she's done or said a few things where I've thought that maybe her politics and morality are in the right place. But generally no, and this shit today is the same Stella that ignored the woman sat opposite her in the pub because she assumed she had nothing valuable to offer her or say.

Stella Creasy is a disgrace, she doesn't care about women one iota, the opposite, she is intent on destroying our few hard-won basic rights. On BBC yesterday she talked about making misogyny a hate crime, saying she was part of a coalition of 26 groups on the issue - and the first group she cited was Stonewall. Um, not a women's group - an ANTI-women's group who is actively campaigning to change the Equality Act to stop women from having the right to single-sex spaces.

Stella Creasy is not smart enough to figure this out yet. This is my impression of her. Jess Philips is smart enough and, as a previous poster said, has figured it out but won’t speak up. Same goes for Keir Starmer. He knows what this is about but is choosing to look the other way. Not getting my vote till they correct this.

quacknamechange that is so telling. We all know women like that. I was super senior in my job and those people got very short shrift from me.

An ex of mine was very pro Stella and I can see why: she liked men.

she liked men

That’s the end of her political career then.

Random thoughts about this thread:

1. Natal women can be misogynistic (because we all grow up in the same cultures) so trans women can certainly also be misogynistic. Misogyny is more commonly expressed by men but not just by men.
2. Politicians play these games often just on the basis of what their focus groups tell them. I really want to know what that is.
3. I often read here that women are leaving Labour in droves for this issue. Is there statistical data on the percentage of women who have left? Perhaps the number is not large enough.

I honestly think some politicians avoid this issue because they are concerned that admitting that women need sex based rights makes them look weak.

Its more comfortable to pretend that anyone could become pregnant and nobody can tell who.