Gender Revele

[BrandineDelRoy]

Or sex revelation? I'm not a fan of nouns becoming verbs. But this is beyond words stupid.

@BrandineDelRoy

Or sex revelation? I'm not a fan of nouns becoming verbs. But this is beyond words stupid.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/09/10/style/gender-reveal-parties-cursed.amp.html

I think they are incredibly tacky.

People who hold these reveals of course mean to reveal the child's sex.

Totally foreign to me, along with baby showers and kitchen teas etc. Always thought they were an American thing.

@BlackWaveComing

People who hold these reveals of course mean to reveal the child's sex.

Totally foreign to me, along with baby showers and kitchen teas etc. Always thought they were an American thing.

Agree with you re: sex of baby, not gender.

Not sure it's a specifically American thing though - think it's more of a recent social-media-inspired thing.

A TRA view:

Gender reveal parties aren't some ancient tradition. They're a few years old. They're part of the conservative backlash against the increased visibility and tolerance of trans people. They're not "just an excuse for more gifts". They're inherently oppressive and violent.

twitter.com/autogynamelia/status/1303000980405977089?s=19

What's a kitchen tea?

A kitchen tea is a bridal pre wedding get together of women like a bridal shower.

Like Blackwave said, I always thought that they are an American import like baby showers. Whatever happened to buying a gift when the baby is born?

Oh for fucks sake - I might think they are naff but inherently violent? Some ppl (thankfully for them) clearly have never experienced actual violence, or they wouldn't make such outlandish claims.

That Twitter thread is ridiculous, the whole world revolves around them doesn't it. Sex reveal parties have been going on for a while, my friend had one over a decade ago. Not my cup of tea, but as long as you don't use anything that can start a wildfire (looking at you California) then who cares.

[quote NotTerfNorCis]A TRA view:

Gender reveal parties aren't some ancient tradition. They're a few years old. They're part of the conservative backlash against the increased visibility and tolerance of trans people. They're not "just an excuse for more gifts". They're inherently oppressive and violent.

twitter.com/autogynamelia/status/1303000980405977089?s=19[/quote]
The only way gender reveal parties are 'anti-trans' is that it puts to bed the lie that 'gender is assigned at birth'.

Everything else to do with these parties is just gender stereotyping - something that most of the trans community seems to be on board with. After all, how many times have we heard about a young boy becoming a girl because he liked the colour pink, wearing dresses and playing with dolls?

I think 'gender reveal' parties started in 2008.

I can’t get my head around the commonly quoted idea of literal violence being literally a non-literal act.

Looks like the woman who started the whole trend regrets is, as the concept of gender is 'limiting:'

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/jun/29/jenna-karvunidis-i-started-gender-reveal-party-trend-regret

Everything else to do with these parties is just gender stereotyping - something that most of the trans community seems to be on board with. After all, how many times have we heard about a young boy becoming a girl because he liked the colour pink, wearing dresses and playing with dolls?

Absolutely this. I don't think whether someone does host a reveal is indicative of how they will treat their child, or that those who don't will not conform to stereotypes anyway. For most its just an excuse to get friends and family together and have some fun.

Excited parents wanting to celebrate with their friends and family about an an impending arrival of a baby? Gender parties are harmless fun with party games and what is the harm when there is so much doom and gloom in the world. I think it is better parents are that excited and want to share the news of their baby when there are so many children unwanted and abused. Finding out the gender just gives a little insight into the type of personality the person may be

I think 'gender reveal' parties started in 2008.

Was there a mass publicised event then? Like others, I presumed they were a modern thing, imported from the US. And of course it’s not all that long ago in real terms, that it became possible to reliably sex babies prior to birth, so it’s obvious it’s going to be a recentish innovation and not an ancient tradition.

I'm also surprised about the TRA statement. I had assumed that type of person to hold a gender reveal is precisely the type of person to decide their child needs medical intervention because they like things stereotypically associated with the opposite sex. In fact, I'm certain I've read a story where the mother announced the transitioning of their child by holding a second gender reveal party.

By all means hold parties for yourself, for your child. But why base them on their predicted sex? What on earth does that info give you? She'll have periods? He'll produce sperm? I think children should be allowed to grow with as little expectation based on sex stereotypes as possible.

I think children should be allowed to grow with as little expectation based on sex stereotypes as possible

Well yes, but popping a balloon with pink or blue confetti in doesn't mean you're going to subject your child to a lifetime of forcing them to conform to stereotypes. My friends DD plays football, has short hair, loves wrestling, and wears clothes she likes; all of which have been supported by her parents, she is a girl and they had a pink cake whilst pregnant. Another is against them as she feels they are ridiculous, but only buys dresses and the only class she will pay for is ballet. The issue of enforcing stereotypes and having a bit of fun whilst pregnant aren't neccessarily the same in my opinion.

Oops! I see my question about 2008 is answered in the OP’s second post link, which I somehow missed.

And I agree, BrassicaRabbit. In fact I’d go further. Forcing gendered expectations onto a child because of their sex is, in my opinion, probably one of the prerequisites for creating a ‘trans child’

@AnyOldPrion

I think 'gender reveal' parties started in 2008.

Was there a mass publicised event then? Like others, I presumed they were a modern thing, imported from the US. And of course it’s not all that long ago in real terms, that it became possible to reliably sex babies prior to birth, so it’s obvious it’s going to be a recentish innovation and not an ancient tradition.

No, not a mass publicized event, just a woman who made a cake with pink icing and it went viral. I watched a video about her yesterday, in which she was interviewed. Can't find it now, but here's an article: nypost.com/2020/09/08/gender-reveal-party-inventor-begs-for-end-to-trend-amid-wildfires/ I like what she says here: “For the love of God, stop burning things down to tell everyone about your kid’s penis. No one cares but you,” the parenting blogger wrote.

@AnyOldPrion

I think 'gender reveal' parties started in 2008.

Was there a mass publicised event then? Like others, I presumed they were a modern thing, imported from the US. And of course it’s not all that long ago in real terms, that it became possible to reliably sex babies prior to birth, so it’s obvious it’s going to be a recentish innovation and not an ancient tradition.

Upthread I linked to a story about Jenna Karvunidis who had a gender reveal party in 2008. She posted the pics on social media and a trend began. Before then I think baby showers (an American import) had started to incorporate elements of pink/blue/dolls/trucks etc according to whether the mother was expecting a girl or a boy. Gender reveal parties were probably next logical step.

When I was born in the 80s the local hospital refused to tell women the sex of their babies. This was to reduce the number of sex-selective abortions. At the time it was common among a particular demographic in the local area to abort female foetuses. This was in the UK but the hospital served a large immigrant community. The hospital still serves that demographic but I'm not sure if things have changed since then.

Sorry AnyOldPrion cross posted!

While I agree with the sentiment about not burning things I find the “no one cares but you” thing bizarre. I care about lots of my family and friends. I care about their children, including smaller and larger details about their lives. I care if they are happy, excited, sad. I want to join in support them in their lives. I my not mind what sex their baby is (they probably don’t either), but this implication that details of a baby’s weight, whether they have haIr, their sex are completely uninteresting to anyone else is bizarre and in my view wrong. If it is true then it makes me quite miserable about the state of community, family and friends.