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Douglas Murray scathing about trans ideology

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BovaryX · 06/09/2020 04:32

Douglas Murray has a blistering attack on the trans ideology promoted in schools. He highlights the reliance on gender stereotypes and the deliberate exclusion of parents. Douglas Murray has previously expressed anger about the way children are targeted and the damaging impact of this upon vulnerable young people. This article exposes these issues to a wider audience and contains many themes familiar to the denizens of this board. He writes with a palpable outrage about the incoherence of this ideology.

For parts of the curriculum have been colonised by activists who seek to fill children's heads with ideas that are not just disagreeable, but provably wrong and, for the young people in question, deeply disorientating. And nowhere is that clearer than when it comes to a trans agenda that has gained so much official credence it is even supported by the Government. Ministers have endorsed and funded groups making the most confusing claims about trans issues and have promoted ideas that are wildly untrue. This propaganda is now being pumped into our schools, starting with the claim that 'biological sex' (whether you were born a boy or a girl) can be replaced with 'gender', a thing that the activists say you can choose. And they claim that there are many dozens of these genders, which is stupid as well as sinister. One of the loudest voices in the field is the gay rights group Stonewall

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BovaryX · 06/09/2020 04:35

DOUGLAS MURRAY: We're living through the Age of Mass Derangement www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8701499/DOUGLAS-MURRAY-living-Age-Mass-Derangement.html?ito=native_share_article-bottom

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highame · 06/09/2020 09:00

This stuff should be starting to filter through to all those dim-witted corporations and government departments soon, shouldn't it?

There's lots about now, so getting more difficult to avoid

SunsetBeetch · 06/09/2020 09:33

Good article. Love him taking aim at Stonewall.

MindTheMinotaur · 06/09/2020 09:52

Deeply disorientating well put.

Childrenofthestones · 06/09/2020 19:48

Murray is livestream guest now with the boys at Triggernometry

SunsetBeetch · 06/09/2020 19:59

@Childrenofthestones

Murray is livestream guest now with the boys at Triggernometry
Oh, fab!
ArabellaScott · 06/09/2020 22:33

Listening now. Confused

Childrenofthestones · 06/09/2020 23:22

Well that was brilliant and depressing at the same time.😕

BovaryX · 07/09/2020 09:29

@Childrenofthestones

Murray is livestream guest now with the boys at Triggernometry
Thanks for the heads up. It's an interesting interview, I like the description of Antifa protesters as like a post Apocalyptic Roman legion
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DillonPanthersTexas · 07/09/2020 10:01

Triggernometry

Is this old school maths or offence taking classes?

Freespeecher · 07/09/2020 10:46

DillonPanthersTexas

Depends on the angle you take.

queenofknives · 07/09/2020 17:24

That was quite a scary listen. I agree that the non-fist-raising-restaurant-woman was actually heroic and should be a role model. And that we should learn some stoicism and realise that conditions aren't going to get better, so do the things we want and need to do now rather than putting them off til a better time. A better time isn't coming.

I was slightly annoyed by him going on about predatory women, when all his examples were from made-up stories! FFS. Yes women can also be predatory but if you want to talk about it, at least use actual examples and statistics, not some misogynistic stories. A minor point, but still, it annoyed me.

FingonTheValiant · 07/09/2020 17:35

@Freespeecher - that pun has not had the attention it deserves. I really enjoyed it Grin

Childrenofthestones · 07/09/2020 17:38

If you want to know the truth about Antifa you need look no further than their treatment of Dr Ella Hill.

Dr Ella Hill was groomed, gang raped and prostituted as a teenager for over a year. Eventually her family got her away from them and moved her to another part of the country. She rebuilt her life, moved on and now campaigns to get it stopped .
Antifa have hounded this woman, sending multiple death threats, doxing her, her children and family and friends. She lives in constant fear of Antifa or gang members finding her and attacking her or her family, yet this amazing young mother continues to fight to protect the children going through this.
Simply because she is white and the rapists are BAME, Antifa go out of their way to try to make her daily existence hell.
Please watch this brave woman in this interview she gave on Triggernometry.

ArabellaScott · 07/09/2020 20:44

Agree, queenofknives. The 'trope' that men are violent is supported very clearly by enormous statistical evidence. The examples for the 'trope' of predatory females was all fiction.

His ideas are interesting, but I do feel Murray has a tendency to grandiosity. This quote, however, really resonated:

'Do not do what the mob demands ... it matters less what the mob demands than that you do not do what the mob says'

As a thrawn old bag, this appeals.

Lisz · 08/09/2020 17:26

First time i came across him and his mate (via the poster for their tour), i swear it all looked like a very clever pisstake. Actually many of the lines he/they deliver could work very well as finely-tuned parody of those dull, shabby, wheezy farts on the centre-right. But no i was horrified to discover it was serious.

'Resisting Wokeness'! It already seems ancient as a concept, belonging as much to 2016-2019 as those images of dickheads with huge phones and Filofaxes belong to 1987 and Carnaby Street clothes-shoppers to 1966.

Douglas Murray scathing about trans ideology
PaleBlueMoonlight · 08/09/2020 17:36

I have a lot of time for Douglas Murray. He doesn’t seem to see much worth for feminism, but, perfection is the enemy of progress (or something like that!). He is totally unshakeable.

ThinEndoftheWedge · 08/09/2020 18:01

I have a lot of time for Douglas Murray. He doesn’t seem to see much worth for feminism, but, perfection is the enemy of progress (or something like that!). He is totally unshakeable.

I agree. I would argue with him on some of his views (not as eloquently as he of course) but he fully gets and is vocal about the threat of trans issues on women’s rights. His anger over the medicalisation of ‘trans’ children is palpable.

queenofknives · 08/09/2020 19:01

I've got time for Murray too, and Andrew Doyle (aka Titania McGrath) for that matter. I'm very happy that people like them are 'resisting wokeness' and I hope more people will join in that project.

Arabella I totally agree with you and also loved the brilliant quote you picked out:

'Do not do what the mob demands ... it matters less what the mob demands than that you do not do what the mob says'

ThinEndoftheWedge · 08/09/2020 20:28

mobile.twitter.com/triggerpod/status/1303306222876200962

Arabella

Above is DM stating your quote. He finishes with:

‘I know if I do this, you will demand I will do something next.

Chilling.

TBHno · 08/09/2020 21:16

I have a lot of time for Murray. I don't agree with everything he says, but I love his no fucks attitude.

DidoLamenting · 08/09/2020 21:33

@Lisz

First time i came across him and his mate (via the poster for their tour), i swear it all looked like a very clever pisstake. Actually many of the lines he/they deliver could work very well as finely-tuned parody of those dull, shabby, wheezy farts on the centre-right. But no i was horrified to discover it was serious.

'Resisting Wokeness'! It already seems ancient as a concept, belonging as much to 2016-2019 as those images of dickheads with huge phones and Filofaxes belong to 1987 and Carnaby Street clothes-shoppers to 1966.

Resisting wokeness seems ever more pertinent to me.
BovaryX · 08/09/2020 21:52

The thing about Douglas Murray is that he is on the right side of freedom of speech, the defence of rational debate. Against those who don't believe in the former and are incapable of the latter. As PP have said, it's possible to agree with someone on certain issues, it doesn't mean blanket endorsement of their entire political position. I find Douglas Murray's foreign policy analysis woeful, he defended an indefensible war. He is a Neocon. The catastrophic consequences of Neocon policies have been consigned to the Memory hole on both sides of the Atlantic. There has been no come uppance for the architects, and cheerleaders of the wars which caused carnage. But that doesn't mean Murray isn't right about the Robespierre faction. And in an age of fatal purity? It is important to distinguish between those who demand totalitarian denunciations. And those of us who believe in debate and an eclectic range of opinion.

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ArabellaScott · 08/09/2020 22:00

Agree, Bovary. An age of fatal impurity, aye! I think currently we face threats from various directions - the extreme left, the extreme right, Russia, China, and from apolitical threats like climate change, covid, environmental degradation. Not sure which is most pressing, which might negate each other or exacerbate each other. Interesting times ...

BovaryX · 09/09/2020 09:32

Douglas Murray cited this quote by Marcus Aurelius. It seems particularly apt....

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.

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