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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Online Debate Event - Julie Bindel, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Kehinde Andrews, Billy Bragg,

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Wondersense · 04/09/2020 12:37

Well this should be interesting!

www.intelligencesquared.com/events/cancel-culture-is-threatening-our-freedoms/

Ayann is much more than this article, but if you're not familiar with her, here's something she wrote about J.K -

www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/j-k-rowlings-lonely-fight-for-womens-rights

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NonnyMouse1337 · 06/09/2020 07:41

@Childrenofthestones

"You grew up in freedom, and you can spit on freedom because you don't know what it is not to have freedom" AHA

Brilliant come back

Do you know when and in what context AHA said that? It really encapsulates how I feel about some of aspects of left-wing politics in the UK (happy to ignore women's rights, pushing for cancel culture and censorship etc).
queenofknives · 06/09/2020 08:58

She said it in the interview pp linked earlier in the thread.

You should read her book, the Caged Virgin. She is really amazing and has definitely known what it is to not be free.

NonnyMouse1337 · 06/09/2020 09:37

@queenofknives

She said it in the interview pp linked earlier in the thread.

You should read her book, the Caged Virgin. She is really amazing and has definitely known what it is to not be free.

Thanks queenofknives. I managed to miss that video clip on the first page. I agree it's a very good comeback. She kept a cool head at such a profoundly arrogant (and in my opinion racist) statement by the guy. He actually said something like 'is it part of the application process to learn to say such clichés?' in response to her statement, as if an immigrant to the US (or any other Western democracy) has no genuine understanding of the freedoms and opportunities taken for granted by those who live in Western democracies. His condescending attitude and sneering superiority encapsulated by his comments really pissed me off lol.
MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 06/09/2020 10:11

Wow, really looking forward to this.

Bragg is one if the original (beardless) wokebeards.

AHA is extraordinary. I read her autobiography years ago, and one of the many, many things I took from it was a complete understanding of how someone with her experience would naturally be drawn to the right.

She watched FGM being excused as 'cultural' by the UK left (and other Western nations) having experienced it herself - in particularly traumatic circumstances.

TheRealMcKennaDonsTinfoilHat · 06/09/2020 10:52

This is, of course, why we end up with people like Rachel Dolezal and Jessica Krug, as within academia identity gets wielded as a shield. The more oppression one can claim, the more that your career will progress, unhindered by questions like whether your work can be substantiated, or even if it meets measures of basic competence.

Exactly. I read an article in the DM this morning saying that the president (I think) of the NUS is predicting a huge surge in Covid when students return to University and that they should therefore stay away. Of course, ‘disadvantaged’ students including black, gay, trans, poor and disabled should be exempted. I can easily see a scenario where a wave of straight, middle class white students start identifying as ‘queer’, ‘non binary’ or having a disability.

I know it’s a bit of a taboo issue to discuss, so I’ve never brought it up here before, but there is a rise in people self-iding as disabled. I know someone (a relative by marriage) who has decided that they have Asperger’s and is happy to tell everyone this. They have never been diagnosed or even sought a diagnosis. Their ‘evidence’ is that they have an obsessive interest in engineering and poor social skills. This is just as insulting to those with the condition as men who state they are women because they like high-heels and pink mini skirts.

carefulvulvadriver · 19/09/2020 09:25

Just had an email update on this. Laurie Penny has pulled out. Was she due to speak against the motion alongside Bragg and Andrews? If so, it means they’ve now only got blokes speaking in favour of cancel culture.

“Laurie Penny will no longer be taking part in the debate, but we're delighted to announce that Kehinde Andrews and Billy Bragg will be arguing against the motion“

It’s this Tuesday coming, which is also the deadline for the defendants in Ann Sinnott’s case responding to her challenge. Could be interesting!

Falleninwiththewrongcrowd · 22/09/2020 17:09

Livestream on YouTube starting soon.

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