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Sorry if there’s already a thread about this but a trans person called Lisa objected to the Co op advertising in the ‘transphobic’ Spectator. Someone from the co op of course apologised and said they would look at not advertising there again. It was brought to Andrew Neil’s attention (chairman of Spectator) and his reply on Twitter was

No need to bother, Co-op. As of today you are henceforth banned from advertising in The Spectator, in perpetuity. We will not have companies like yours use their financial might to try to influence our editorial content, which is entirely a matter for the editor.

Glad the Spectator are standing up to this rubbish.

Thanks SirS, haven't had time to read up.

Will do so, and retract my business if I consider they are transphobic 😊

@Skyliner001

Thanks SirS, haven't had time to read up.

Will do so, and retract my business if I consider they are transphobic 😊

You don’t have to “read up”, just reading the whole thread, rather than just the OP, tells you all you need to know about Co-op’s U-turn.

I’d be interested to know what your definition of “transphobic” is.

Loving the idea that "reading up" is now defined as reading a couple of pages of internet forum posts. What's the word count here you reckon, 500 words max? That's some serious intellectual non-curiosity.

That’s escalated quickly and we want to set the record straight. The tweet sent yesterday was incorrect and does not reflect our advertising position. Our policy supports editorial freedom and you can read more about it here: https://coop.uk/3bs0jhB ^Fi

This is the only response they should make. The idea that any advertiser should try and influence editorial decisions should sit uncomfortably with everyone for quite obvious reasons. Regardless of whether their position is the same as yours on this issue, this isn’t how things should work. It’s a dangerous thing to start happening and anyone more interested in their personal agenda than journalistic freedom, is a person who lacks the intelligence and moral compass to assess the situation fairly.

Co-op speedily rectified this because they were made aware of the implications.

@SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito

Loving the idea that "reading up" is now defined as reading a couple of pages of internet forum posts. What's the word count here you reckon, 500 words max? That's some serious intellectual non-curiosity.

This is one story, on one thread, with multiple links to the tweets and articles that fill in the gaps.

I would agree with you if @Skyliner001 were interested in wider reading around the subject of trans activism and its toxic effects on freedom of speech, but I didn’t get the impression he/she was.

Sorry, not sure I was clear. I was trying to say that it was very lazy of Sky not to have read the thread in the first place, and tickled by her/his use of the phrase "reading up" when all she/he had to do was read 50 odd short posts and a couple of tweets to get up to speed on the whole situation. To me, reading up on a subject or incident implies something a bit more involved.

@Skyliner001 could I suggest that if you are really interested in this issue, you read the actual articles in the Spectator which led to the accusations of transphobia. They have a free trial at the moment so you won’t even have to pay. There are several articles, mostly written by James Kirkup, running over the last few years, so this will take some time - but it’s worth the effort if you want to know why so many women are concerned about the effects of trans activism on women’s rights and child welfare. Which, I’m sure you will agree, are very reasonable concerns for all women - particularly mothers.

I have read most of the articles and found no evidence of transphobia in them, just a principled journalist addressing the potential dangers of trans activism in a thoughtful, intelligent manner. My reading comprehension is pretty good, I think, but perhaps I have missed something; so I would be most grateful if you could also take the time to read some of the articles and let me know your opinion. Thank you. X

Skyliner plops on threads & says the same thing all the time...tedious.

Loving the responses thanks all. X

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And no matter how much I read I don't think I'll read myself into being transphobic 😂😂😂😂

@MadamBatty

Skyliner plops on threads & says the same thing all the time...tedious.

Not unlike GC people then...

skyliners turnaround was quicker than the co ops

@Skyliner001

And no matter how much I read I don't think I'll read myself into being transphobic 😂😂😂😂

Thats true

Ive read mumsnet for ages and ive never read myself into being transphobic either

Skyliner001 is doing wonders for the GC point of view. Any lurkers on the fence will see the total lack of argument compared to the intelligent GC postings breaking down the issue. They will then invariably fall on the GC side.

And no matter how much I read I don't think I'll read myself into being transphobic

Good! Nobody here would ever encourage actual transphobia. It’s good to see you agree with us on that. Now if we could just get you to be against misogyny and silencing of women and their opinions, we could almost have an actual conversation with you rather than the weird childish meaningless drop-ins to add a silly comment.

Co-OP is the nearest shop to us, in the nearby village, and I'm determined we won't be using it again. I didn't know they force farmers to sell them milk at production cost. Bloody disgraceful. And now, all this cowtowing to the TRAs. No more.

They seem to be banging their own drum wrt their ethics. Do they admit on their blurb that they force farmers to sell milk at production cost? Slightly tangential, but I can't help but wonder how that affects animal welfare.?

It's a bit discombobulating to see the lop-sidedness of 'debate' consisting of reasoned, logical, referenced arguments from the feminists, next to a list of various empty mantras from the TRA. I imagine it's like watching an argument between a scientist and a Scientologist.

Not playing devil's advocate but the Co-op's own brand beauty and household products have, certainly in the past, been animal cruelty free (leaping bunny logo) for many a year and I support them for that.

I don't want one stupid woke teenager's tweet to undermine the ethical stance they do take on some things. I didn't know about the milk price thing though.

Maajid Nawaz tweeted to Co-Op here:

mobile.twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1301926272248025088

[quote MillyMollyFarmer]Maajid Nawaz tweeted to Co-Op here:

mobile.twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1301926272248025088[/quote]
Brilliant. I really like Majid.

He successfully sued a civil rights organisation for labelling him an "anti muslim extremist"

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/562646/

You rarely see 'in perpetuity' in Tweets.
I liked it.

Douglas Murray also told the Co-op to stick it too. I love him.

I love seeing some backbone displayed by large organisations and not (as a PP has rightly said) buckling under the 'weight' of one Tweet from some random trans nobody.

Are the usual suspects behind 'Stop Funding Hate'?

You rarely see 'in perpetuity' in Tweets.
I liked it.

Indeed. It reminded me of Danaerys (sp?) in GoT.