Double murderer found guilty- shocking history

[NiceGerbil]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53950083

'A BBC investigation has identified a series of issues relating to the case:

In 2002, a teenage girl told police that Younis had attacked her with a hammer and crowbar, after falsely imprisoning her. No further action was taken.
In 2007, 26 charges against Younis relating to two young teenage girls were discontinued after a judge directed that a jury should clear him of many of the offences following evidence from one of the victims.
In 2008, a plea agreement resulted in several charges against Younis being discontinued, including rape and sexual assault.
In 2016, Ms Szucs was placed in a safe house for victims of trafficking after she was thrown from a block of flats by a man - not Younis - who was on bail for allegedly raping her. The CPS had declined to authorise a rape charge after it was first reported in February 2015. The Met Police lost contact with her as she fell under the control of Younis.
The Met's missing person inquiry into Ms Mustafa - which started in 2018 - did not examine vital phone evidence, which would have shown contact with Younis around the time she vanished. It is now the subject of an internal Scotland Yard inquiry after her family made a series of complaints.'

Shades of Ian Huntley, John warboys and many others.

I expect 'lessons will be learned'.

The police record with previous crimes I mean FFS. Time and time again there's nothing doing until they do the worst.

I'm sick of it.

2002, 2007, 2008 would be. Lovely man falsely accused by malicious women and girls, to many.

I just read that and came here to find a post.

Just upsetting. How he was allowed to treat women the way he did and get away with it.
Abusing two women (well I say women, one was 12) and only getting a couple of years. Then meeting another women when he gets out and then getting 5 year for abusing her.
Apparently the police were watching him when he murdered these two women.

A different account of all the women he had abused before:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53920575

Jesus Christ.

I know.

What is even worse is that this kind of violence seems to be so damn common place that no one is even talking about this case.

We should be rioting.

[quote FlamingoAndJohn]A different account of all the women he had abused before:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53920575[/quote]
That's a really good piece. Heartbreaking and horrifying, of course.

I'm so fucking angry that monster was allowed to get away with his abuse of women for so long that it led to this.

It was only a woman attacked. Just a woman. Bless her just the same.

Man on man would be GBH. Sick of these double standards. But nothing anyone can say will change it.

This never happens...

I mean all of those girls/women were just nasty people that made up stories to make this poor upstanding really awesome guy look bad. Obviously a conspiracy to ruin his life, this is why women can't have nice things (like not getting sexually assaulted/raped, you know extravagant things).

Poor fella!

What really summed it up for me was reading that he was convicted and imprisoned for assaulting a police officer partway through the catalogue of horror he inflicted on women, but all the women he terrorised and brutalised? Nah, nobody cared. They weren't considered important. They weren't worth protecting.

that's what it all comes down to - these women were considered worthless by the institutions supposedly tasked with protecting them. It is not about any of the excuses the CPS and police have given about evidence or resources or any of the other bullshit they still have the nerve to spout - it is that these women didn't matter to them. Whereas a police officer did matter. So action was taken about that. A police officer is listened to and their account trusted. Their life is valued. The women they have a duty to protect? Nah.

This case represents everything I hate and that distresses and disgusts me about our society and our institutions. Our society is repugnant.

I felt sick reading about this case. So many young women hurt.

I don't understand what the article means by

^She moved in with him - although Younis denied having a long-term relationship with her - and "we have shown that she was really in love with him in her own way", the detective said.

"She wrote him letters that we found. Unfortunately to him, she did not mean anything."^

What are they trying to get at? Why are they discussing this in an article about her murder?

It's absolutely sickening.
I think it's also worth noting that many of his victims weren't women. They were girls, in other words, children.

The Metropolitan police are desperately underfunded. This needs sorting out in order to prevent this sort of thing happening again. Of course we also need the CPS to take violence against women and children seriously. Sometimes the police get everything right, gather all the evidence, but the CPS refuse to prosecute.

What happened with the 'safe' house? Doesn't sound too safe to me. That poor woman should never have been housed near to her abusers, and should've been supported in setting up a new safer life far away from any of them.

The pattern of abusers going after young victims or women who are vulnerable is common as they are easy to manipulate.

As with Rotherham etc the police/ CPS/ courts etc see the victims as unreliable witnesses etc and also 'low value' and it's more trouble than it's worth. The bit where 'In 2007, 26 charges against Younis relating to two young teenage girls were discontinued after a judge directed that a jury should clear him of many of the offences following evidence from one of the victims' is pertinent.

As with Ian Huntley where there were a string of accusations to the police of him sexually assaulting girls, that never went anywhere

And with Ian Tomlinson where loads of women were turned away, told 'a cab driver wouldn't do that' etc

There seems to be little appetite to tackle this stuff until they go way over the line.

Our system was set up around protecting property. And the sort of violence men inflict on each other is more recognised as criminal than the sort of violence men do to women.

The whole thing around DV and sex offences is falling. Time and time again women who had reported violent partners multiple times, men with a string of accusations against them for sex offences, don't get stopped until they kill.

Then, lessons will be learned.

What I would love is for an 'amnesty' on reporting sex offences including historic ones. So that women who don't necessarily want to charge/ it was years ago etc can give the police info of who did it and what happened. Put it all in a database. Men with more than X reports bear watching. The next report to be taken seriously. That if 15 women who don't know each other all tell the same name, then together there may be a chance of conviction. That sort of thing.

It seems basic. How long ago was Ian Huntley? The reason CRBs were brought in. 20 years or so? Same story now, over and over.

Just watched the BBC news about this and they made it sound like the police did a good job...

Oh shit really sorry.

The 'black cab rapist' was John warboys.

Ian Tomlinson was of course the man who died after interaction with the met during a protest he was not part of. That the met lied about and covered up until footage came out. The protest where police officers masked their faces and had taken their identifiers off their uniform...

He was an alcoholic and they tried to smear him.

I am very sorry for that error. The met is on my mind and I post about them a lot including on non feminist threads.

They are also disproportionately good at killing black men while taking them into custody. They lied about Jean Charles menezes and Mark duggan. Etc etc

When you look across the piece you realise what sounds extreme. Who do the police work for? I'm coming more and more to the understanding that it's their paymasters. Those with power. Not ordinary people.

I'm sure many go in with good intentions but overall, from a distance. Not good at all.

We should be rioting.

I know, but I just want to curl up and weep when I read stories like these.

Christ the pain for the women he murdered Jan and Heni, for their families, their kids, their parents. It doesn’t bear thinking about. So many lives shattered.
So many different women and girls hurt and abused, so many similar stories.. So much failure of the authorities. It’s horrendous he could go on and on like that. Misogyny enabled him in every sense. I hope the Met really do make changes to stop other men out there doing the same much sooner.

NiceGerbil’s idea makes sense to me.

The Crown Prosecution Service said that decisions relating to the earlier prosecutions of Younis were taken in line with the "code for crown prosecutors".

The CPS seem to be using this as an excuse. Surely this is an indictment of how unfit for purpose the code is?

We see it time and again - downplaying of offenses, going for the easiest and therefore least serious of convictions, giving of second, third and however many chances without joining the dots on how dangerous a man is, believing the accused over supposedly unreliable witnesses even when she's got medical proof of abuse and he's got every reason to lie. How the hell do we start to fix it?

Maybe there should be a more serious conviction/sentencing for pattern of sexual abuse/violence against women. So that they can't plead guilty to a lesser crime repeatedly. Because it does seem like regular offenders escalate. So if you've been found guilty for three or four offences of violence against women/sexual abuse then you automatically get a ten-15 year sentence.

But the more difficult problem is the culture among judges. If they took sexual violence and the testimony of violated women more seriously then the CPS would be more willing to prosecute in the first place. I wish it was easier to bring complaints against judges the same way the independent police complaints authority operates. It's not right that judges can be biased by their own prejudices.

Agree with you on both counts Poulter.

I have also heard from police officers who put in a lot of work to get evidence of a repeat offender and then feel betrayed by the CPS who either don't pursue because they feel a witness is "unreliable" (usual definition of traumatised women) or they go for a lower charge/crime because they're more confident they'll get a conviction which is better for their success rates. In these cases the judges are then tied by what sentence they can give.

I am getting more and more convinced that institutional sexism is as big an issue in criminal justice as is institutional racism. I think it would take a massive movement similar to BLM before we could even have a discussion about it.

I feel for these poor women and their families, not to mention the surviving victims of this man.

Re sentencing. I've always thought that the primary purpose of prison should be protection of the public.

It's long been viewed only as punishment or deterrent, both of which have their place (together with rehabilitation depending on the crime and the individual offender).

Protecting the public (including women and children) from dangerous offenders should always be the most important consideration. Sometimes an offender might be too dangerous to ever be free. This should be accepted.

With the Met police (who are nowadays a very diverse force). They can't really make many changes without better funding. They, like many police forces across the UK, are operating under dangerously limited budgets. This needs looking at, as does the CPS guidelines for prosecution. Like a pp says, sometimes the police do everything, gather all the evidence, only for the CPS to refuse to prosecute or go for a lesser charge.

Budgets don't cause police officers to view and treat vulnerable female victims of abuse as worthless. Don't hide behind that shit as an excuse.

The Met suddenly had the resources to adequately investigate this perpetrator when it was one of their own he assaulted.

Heartbreaking I couldn't finish reading the BBC article

I’ve had enough of this shit.

What can we do?

She had a vagina. She was obviously asking for it wasn't she? Poor man being forced to brutalise her on a daily basis. I hope he gets counselling .

It's sickening what he was allowed to do and get away with.