If the GRA goes through is anyone planning on changing their gender?

[KenDodd]

I mean, if I legally change my gender I don't have to do anything else do I? Still dress and call myself whatever I want? I hope an 18% pay rise will be coming my way though.

In fact, it would surely be particularly expedient to ward against maternity discrimination?

It would be interesting to see if they put me on the men's psychiatric ward for my next stint. I don't think they'd risk it.

There was an interesting comment of one of Allison Hammond’s Twitter posts. Not her but someone commenting on the 200 genders and stating something I can completely get onboard with.

There are 7.8 billion genders as we all experience our mix of masculine and feminine traits differently.

Or possibly gender is a made up social construct.

I have no idea what my gender is. (The quiz which featured on her a while ago had me 8% female - despite my love of make-up, high heels and dresses.)

I do know what my sex is.

...not fond of their kex
Kex?

Kex - trousers in some parts of the UK.

But men can wear dresses so kex not an issue.

If they bring in self ID, what is to stop us all legally becoming men?

Nothing, I believe. I have absolutely no intention making any changes on how I dress either.

I wonder, if I then committed a crime, would I be sent to a male prison?
If I had another baby, would I be the father?

Good point about cat calling and street harrassment. Would I then be able to complain to the police and have it counted as a hate crime?

Yes, we absolutely would be able to come under the hate crime legislation. I’m going for it. I’ll get extra rights, what’s not to like?

Exactly. And since so much of the pressure to believe in gender ideology seems to be coming from people's employers... Wouldn't it be nice for uterus bearers to know they have a bit of job protection next time they take maternity (paternity?) leave?

Hmm - I might do this. He/him pronouns i think.

It’s sex. The GRA changes your legal sex.

Yeah why not! For shits and giggles.

Why is it called the Gender Recognition Act then? Why not use sex?

I have every intention of being as confusing as possible for any organisation that is anti science / facts and uses the gender bollx on surveys, questionnaires etc. If they can be fact deniers then they're fair game.

It does use sex in the legislation. People don’t like to say sex it’s a naughty word so they say gender.

@KenDodd

I mean, if I legally change my gender I don't have to do anything else do I? Still dress and call myself whatever I want? I hope an 18% pay rise will be coming my way though.

From what I've heard, the process is likely to include a statutory declaration where you commit to "live as" your declared gender permanently ... and apparently possible penalties if you don't. And I think something like that was in the Scottish proposals too. Not certain what that commitment would entail but I can imagine it might be seen as a sign of "breaking" that commitment if you didn't consistently use toilets etc of the gender your had declared. It would probably also mean you'd be expected to change the sex/gender on your driver's license, passport etc. and that not doing so could also be seen as a sign of breaking the commitment in the statutory declaration.

Also, in the Scottish proposal (and I imagine in any coming English proposal) there's some sort of waiting period before you'd get the certificate and therefore also a wait before you could change back.

Overall, I got the impression it would be hard to do it "non-seriously" or to "flip back and forth".

From what I've heard, the process is likely to include a statutory declaration where you commit to "live as" your declared gender permanently ... and apparently possible penalties if you don't.

If Freddy McConnell can have a GRC, declare in front of a legal panel the intention to “live as a man”, then do the most womanly thing possible immediately - get pregnant and give birth - without consequences from that legal panel, then there is no possible way anyone “self identified” will be penalised if they don’t meet particular requirements. It’s more legal fiction being created. What are those requirements? How are they defined? How would anyone prove one way or another?

It’s utter madness that laws that are even more vague and unenforceable than the ones we have now are being proposed.

It seems several new conservatives MPs have written to Boris Johnson to urge him to reform the GRA:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a9e0d3fe-e8a5-11ea-9b25-18353d361fa2?shareToken=3b620f597846df0df66b5197c5dbd266

Overall, I got the impression it would be hard to do it "non-seriously" or to "flip back and forth". I'll let you break that to number 32 of the FTs Business Woman of the Year 2018.

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/gender-fluid-exec-named-on-list-of-top-100-women-in-business-a3942896.html

From what I've heard, the process is likely to include a statutory declaration where you commit to "live as" your declared gender permanently
and apparently possible penalties if you don't

The stat declaration was to a solicitor (I think that was meant to impress on us just how legal they were being) but people lie to solicitors all the time, so it's a non starter. Solicitors are not police and dont much care if you break a declaration, nor would they know if you broke it.

Also, in the Scottish proposal (and I imagine in any coming English proposal) there's some sort of waiting period before you'd get the certificate and therefore also a wait before you could change back

The point of self id is to immediately change gender once you figure out which of the 311 you are, Scotland has recently changed its definition of woman, this definition doesn't include adult human female.
And this change back gender is a bit peculiar, there are 311 genders, surely one of them would fit better than "just" male or female ?

Also ask pips bunce what gender they are on a different day, also please ask about gender on passport/DL, and also while your at it ask pips why they veer from masculinity to femme and not try one of the other genders ta.

Can I change it to non-binary? I’m sure I’m under that trans umbrella somehow

You could really mean it at the time of utterance and signature. Those few minutes. If you are living as a man, a big part of that will be no one getting the right to dismiss your intention in the same way they would if you were a woman. So, if you aren't being regarded as a man for any reason whatsoever, it would be because of the transphobia of others.

then do the most womanly thing possible immediately - get pregnant and give birth - without consequences from that legal panel

That’s a bit judgemental. It may be that Freddy does want to live as a man and believes he is a man, but tolerates the extreme dysphoria caused by being pregnant because of his desperately strong need to have a child. So he manages to cope with 9 months of dysphoria which is temporary for the sake of being able to have children.

So if the definition of woman doesn't include 'adult human female'! I wouldn't even be living as a woman by being a woman? Well, that gives enormous latitude to your self ID. Or is it different when you want to ID as a man? Maybe they aren't a nothing like a woman.

So, if it is just people not wanting to say sex and using the word gender instead, does that mean the real title is 'The Sex Recognition Act'? Or is the correct title 'The Gender Recognition Act'?

The 'Sex Recognition Act' is slightly problematic as a statement of fact. It is doing the opposite of recognising you sex; it is legally allocating you a different sex. Just my personal thinking. I do acknowledge others aren't bogged down by reality in the same way.