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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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MondayYogurt · 24/08/2020 21:32

The absolute thrill and power surge this TRA, Bethany Baptiste, must have felt in doing this.

twitter.com/storysorcery/status/1297708094122790918?s=21

Sorry if this is a dupe - I did search.

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Lamahaha · 26/08/2020 12:10

That Jodi Picoult thread OMG.
And isn't it telling that instead of discussing the issue, all she did was block those who disagree. Talk about hiding your head in the sand!

DreadPirateLuna · 26/08/2020 12:54

I almost feel sorry for Picoult. She will never write anything woke enough to please the TRAs. See for example the reaction to John Boyle's "My Brother's Name is Jessica".

The best novels (in all genres) are those in which the characters are real and flawed. There has been a push to get more diverse characters, especially in children's and YA, which overall I support. But there's a catch. Characters who are black, Muslim, disabled, gay, trans, etc. are under closer scrutiny for perceived offensive characteristics. In other words, if you create such characters and give them flaws, you are setting landmines for yourself. The only characters who are allowed the full range of personality are white, straight, able-bodied and preferably male.

This does not exactly feel like progress.

Helmetbymidnight · 26/08/2020 13:33

mm, in an author group im in, there was a discussion about appropriation, it seemed to me that authors felt strongly about cultural appropriation or queer appropriation but seemed absolutely indifferent to sexual, age, class or any other kind. Hmm

two authors who i admire very much - sarah perry and Jo Nadin - were on twitter - disappointed and surprised by jkr.

we're in for a tumultuous few years yet. 😩

Helmetbymidnight · 26/08/2020 13:36

ooh, i'll definitely read Julie Birchalls!

tra's characters fine- trans ideology? not so much- i read 'the art of being normal' because it was on dc's school recommended list. god, it was dire- i havent read anything that stupidly stereotypical since...since enid blyton.

Lamahaha · 26/08/2020 13:41

Julie Burchill’s book is called Welcome To The Woke Trials: How We Can Shape Progressive Future Politics and will be published by Constable next year.

BaronessWrongCrowd · 26/08/2020 13:47

Jodie soon will find that alienating most of your audience and virtue signalling isn't what she thought it would be. The vast majority of people have had enough of it, they won't look to kindly on the people who fully embraced it.

GrumpyGran8 · 26/08/2020 15:08

@TweeBree

THIS is what the ACLU should be fighting for, not suing the shit out of institutions to get men into women's toilets.
ACLU have also fought for the right of the KKK to march through Jewish neighbourhoods, and for anti-abortion protestors to gather outside womens' clinics. I get it why they did that - even the most hateful people have the right to peacefully express their opinions. That's clearly stated on their website. So why aren't they jumping all over this?
ArabellaScott · 26/08/2020 15:13

Sarah Perry was heartily defending Damian Barr. Prior to his turning out to be horribly transphobic. Not sure what the official woke position is now - Barr's presumably allowed to be transphobic, not really sure why but some people are for some reason.

ArabellaScott · 26/08/2020 15:14

ACLU have also fought for the right of the KKK to march through Jewish neighbourhoods, and for anti-abortion protestors to gather outside womens' clinics.

Holy fuck, really?! That's a pretty hardcore freedom-of-speech position to take. But they won't get into the gender issues? Are they just generally anti-women, in that case? I mean, I don't even know what ACLU stands for or what it is.

JanMeyer · 26/08/2020 16:56

I almost feel sorry for Picoult. She will never write anything woke enough to please the TRAs.

I have little sympathy for her, she writes cookie cutter books with "hot topics" of the moment shoehorned in. She wrote a truly awful book about Aspergers. Funny you say she can never write anything woke enough to please the TRAs though. Because that's exactly what she tried to do with the Aspergers book, except obviously it was autism parents she was trying to please.
The book had lots of references to therapies, some of them experimental, made it very clear what a burden the boy was to his sibling, and of course he was violent. Worst of all the book had a "i knew my happy normal child" was gone moment, involving him wandering away from a party to stand in front of a TV flapping his hands. So yeah, easy to see what kind of "research" she had done.

And being a details obsessed kind of autistic i could never let go the fact that she referred to Wii games as being cartridges. As in a character popping the cartridge in his pocket. When of course they're discs, have been since the gamecube. Guess she hasn't seen a nintendo console since the mid nineties. Seriously though, if a writer can't be bothered to google a simple fact like that, how can you have any respect for them?

Helmetbymidnight · 26/08/2020 17:23

oh jodi picoult, im blushing for her just reading that.

jodi:
I can give you overwhelming stats of suicides in young people prevented from transitioning

everyone: we'd like to see them, please.

jodii: youre all blocked.

MissLawls · 27/08/2020 16:17

Jodie soon will find that alienating most of your audience and virtue signalling isn't what she thought it would be. The vast majority of people have had enough of it, they won't look to kindly on the people who fully embraced it.

She doesn't know her market does she?

Siablue · 27/08/2020 19:48

@JanMeyer

I almost feel sorry for Picoult. She will never write anything woke enough to please the TRAs.

I have little sympathy for her, she writes cookie cutter books with "hot topics" of the moment shoehorned in. She wrote a truly awful book about Aspergers. Funny you say she can never write anything woke enough to please the TRAs though. Because that's exactly what she tried to do with the Aspergers book, except obviously it was autism parents she was trying to please.
The book had lots of references to therapies, some of them experimental, made it very clear what a burden the boy was to his sibling, and of course he was violent. Worst of all the book had a "i knew my happy normal child" was gone moment, involving him wandering away from a party to stand in front of a TV flapping his hands. So yeah, easy to see what kind of "research" she had done.

And being a details obsessed kind of autistic i could never let go the fact that she referred to Wii games as being cartridges. As in a character popping the cartridge in his pocket. When of course they're discs, have been since the gamecube. Guess she hasn't seen a nintendo console since the mid nineties. Seriously though, if a writer can't be bothered to google a simple fact like that, how can you have any respect for them?

The autism book is why I will never read anything by Jodi Picolt ever again. She just writes the most copy and paste stereotypical books and doesn’t care that there are real people with autism (insert issue of the day).

The idea that you could lear what it feels like to be trans based on her book is a joke and the fact that she can spout that bollocks to someone who was trans and the parent of a dysphoric child is offensive.

I am pleased to see the reaction to this though. Sasha is getting a lot of support. I think that this is going to shock some of the bullies.

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