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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

CBBC continues to push the narrative of the ‘trans child’

49 replies

TheFleegleHasLanded · 21/08/2020 09:24

“Kate Harris, of the LGB Alliance, said: “It takes a fundamentally one-sided approach to a really complex issue. It’s asking children to accept that a boy who feels like a girl is in fact a girl.

“The way it’s presented is that anybody who doesn’t accept that Hannah is a girl must by their very nature be really mean, nasty and discriminatory against someone who belongs to a vulnerable minority.””

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www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/transgender-girl-is-star-of-bbc-children-s-show-cc738jj73

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FeedTheSparrows · 21/08/2020 09:44

Hello. My first time posting here - but a long time lurker. Firmly GC. Saw this in The Times this morn and had my piss boiled even before finishing coffee. Writing to DG to complain. Can share letter template if of interest/use to others?

Onlyonewayout · 21/08/2020 09:46

Why is it always about the feels? I feel I should be a doctor. But it doesn’t make me one. I can’t understand why kids are being force fed this narrative.

FeedTheSparrows · 21/08/2020 09:51

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Alltheprettyseahorses · 21/08/2020 10:02

I started watching it to see what it was like. The mother in the bit I saw seemed the driving force behind the transition - it was the part where they went to see a doctor. I was disgusted when she said her child should be using the girls' toilets like the rights and feelings of them didn't matter. DD didn't pay it much attention but she was angry at that (I didn't react to it in front of her) because she's at the age now where privacy is becoming important to her and the presence of a non-female child would really affect that.

I remember reading somewhere - it might have been on here on one of those older boys in swimming pool threads - that we might be looking at young people as if they're little children but to each other they're life-size so a lack of respect for girls' dignity and the implicit message they have to disregard their needs for boys' wants is something that needs to be stamped out. It's a hierarchy with girls perpetually at the bottom and from what I saw, the CBBC programme amplifies and reinforces that message.

TheFleegleHasLanded · 21/08/2020 10:37

“However other lobby groups which believe that biological sex is observed at birth, not assigned, expressed concerns.”

By the way, Times journalists, we don’t just ‘believe’ sex is observed at birth, we KNOW it is.

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StandUpStraight · 21/08/2020 10:43

Here’s a share token in case the other links aren’t working for people
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5b29cdbe-e2f2-11ea-8ecd-64fc41168b69?shareToken=0e44d6d44e91c4edbd485870ca4e4595

persistentwoman · 21/08/2020 10:47

The comments are great. Not all, a minority are transphobic and homophobic, but the majority call out the coercion of children and question why a media organisation is targeting children with this ideology.

Summerhillsquare · 21/08/2020 10:50

I can't roll my eyes hard enough at the 'assigned at birth' bollocks. As Jenny Marra MSP asks, why does the NHS offer a scan to know the sex of your foetus at 20 weeks then?

Namechangernn · 21/08/2020 11:39

I’m annoyed that it is on Kids IPlayer. I expect that to have age appropriate programmes. I guess I will just have to block Kids IPlayer.

FFSFFSFFS · 21/08/2020 12:18

Its never a transboy using the boys toilets is it?

happydappy2 · 21/08/2020 12:22

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GettingUntrapped · 21/08/2020 12:54

One of the comments says that this trans ideology spread across the world via social media. Social media contagion. Struck a chord with me.
What the hell next?

GettingUntrapped · 21/08/2020 12:58

How about I say I don't identify as a mother and I feel tremendously oppressed by having to perform as one. It causes me great pain and I struggle to live my own life.

Abitofalark · 21/08/2020 13:03

What actual means do we have to protect children from the malign effects of this sort of propaganda if the BBC chooses to promote it? The BBC is a very powerful embedded medium. It's pervasive. I don't see anything that's effective against it. Governments and Parliament aren't.
The Department of Education has allowed pressure groups to replace the State in schools to promote a particular ideology. Professional associations and bodies are silent or worse. Women's campaigners are abandoned by rights and equality organisations and hounded by establishment authorities and institutions, including the police. The latter won't be turning up at the BBC, though. Aside from a few scattered journalists or columnists, it's left to individuals to post online or write to schools or the BBC or fight lonely battles in workplaces or academia or in court.

scotsheather · 21/08/2020 13:41

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NearlyGranny · 21/08/2020 14:28

But now it's definitely NOT about clothing and colours and game and toy choices, what's left, really? Just feelings of bring somehow wrong and loathing of own body/body parts? That would make me seek psychological help for a child's mental health, not hormone blockers and transition advice.

Is the series outdated and inaccurate already? 🤷🏼‍♀️

PronounssheRa · 21/08/2020 15:17

The mother in the bit I saw seemed the driving force behind the transition

This, when it comes to younger children seems to be a significant trend

OldCrone · 21/08/2020 15:22

Link for making a complaint to the BBC.

www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaints/make-a-complaint/#/Complaint

OhGodWhatTheHellNow · 21/08/2020 16:32

“Kate Harris, of the LGB Alliance, said: “It takes a fundamentally one-sided approach to a really complex issue. It’s asking children to accept that a boy who feels like a girl is in fact a girl.

Pleased to see that the abbreviated version in the print edition of the Times ends with this line. I think you would have to be extremely dedicated to your cause to read that article and not think that this was a bit off...

zanahoria · 21/08/2020 18:07

why does the NHS offer a scan to know the sex of your foetus at 20 weeks then?

That is the gender assigning machine

TheNumberfaker · 21/08/2020 18:16

My girls were desperate to watch this as they’d seen lots of trailers for it. It would be almost impossible to stop them (as it’s on CBBC) so I watched all 4 episodes with them, pausing whenever they had a question or didn’t understand something.
I didn’t want to turn it into a big issue for them by banning it.

The style of the program felt quite similar to previous shows my girls have watched and loved in the past - new kid in town/school has an issue/secret, makes new friends, issue/secret gets revealed, all turns out “ok” in the end.

I explained to my girls that the laws might be different in Australia to the UK, but here, the law says that schools have to provide separate toilets for girls and boys over 8 years old. They asked why and I said it was to do with the 3 Ps: puberty, periods and privacy. They asked if Hannah was a girl now and I said that Hannah wanted to be treated like a girl. They asked if Hannah still had a willy and I said probably, because it wouldn’t be right to operate on an 11/12 year old child, would it? They agreed and my 9 year old said that Hannah still has the body of a boy but wants to look and be treated like a girl. I replied that it was quite complicated for a CBBC show, wasn’t it? My 12 year old was very confused as to whether Jasmine was being nasty or not by not carrying on her friendship with Hannah. I explained that it was complicated because Hannah lied to her and that some people find it hard to carry on a friendship if they can’t trust them.
I found the show very one-sided. Hannah’s feelings were portrayed as vastly more important than anyone else’s throughout. Hannah was desperate to attend a sleepover party but Mum wouldn’t allow it “for Hannah’s protection” as the other girls and their parents didn’t know that Hannah was transgender. So Hannah was encouraged by Mum to lie about the reason for going home early. There was no mention of how the girls at the sleepover would feel. A few things really irked me: the bullies shown and initially blamed for outing Hannah on social media were all girls but it was later revealed that an anonymous older boy had actually done it after overhearing two teachers talking about Hannah. The main bully Isabel seemed to have bruising on her arms purely to provide Hannah with an opportunity to show how generous Hannah could be by offering a long-sleeved rash to Isabel. There was no delving into the origin of her bruising.
Also, when they were on camp, when Hannah’s best friend (Olivia) made a comment about another friend (Natalie) having been well prepared as she’d brought enough sanpro “for every girl in camp” the situation of another friend unexpectedly having her first period was immediately spun round to Hannah’s trauma of not being included and how Hannah would dearly love to suffer with them. My 12 year old who has just had her first painful period was as gobsmacked as me by that!
In the last episode there was a girl with very short hair whose mother won’t listen to her and she’s scared of “getting further away from who she really is.” She asks Hannah for advice about how to get mum to listen. Hannah replies with “I’m going to help you.” Not, I’ll help you talk to the teachers at school or anything constructive...

One last thing that struck me was how the actor who played Hannah seemed to be about 11/12 but most of the others in the year group seemed a lot taller and older - closer to 14/15. I wonder whether there will be more series when the bodily differences between the sexes or the suppression of them will be discussed. Wearing board shorts over a swimming costume might not be enough.

NotTerfNorCis · 21/08/2020 19:30

I've watched all four episodes of this and found it quite interesting. Hannah is actually played by a trans actor, but you wouldn't know because the actor is still very young. Hannah comes across convincingly as female. The series is extremely one-sided - Hannah's friends are the nice girls, while the gang who reject Hannah's chosen gender are led by a mean character who obviously has her own personal demons, and who eventually makes her peace with Hannah. Boys and men don't seem to have much of an issue with Hannah, beyond the occasional bewildered comment - one boy even carries on being interested in Hannah after the Revelation. The meanness comes from girls and women. One of Hannah's friends withdraws after her mother has had a word. Is the mother supposed to be an evilterf? Also, although Hannah only 'came out' three years ago, Hannah's parents and brother are completely supportive and proud. There is absolutely no tension or dissent in that household.

The last part with the 'transboy' did seem a bit off, and maybe thrown in to give some substance to the ending. For one thing it implies that schools are full of trans kids, and that a child 'just knows' from the age of two or three that they are in the wrong body. It had been the transboy's mother who refused to listen - another example of an evilterf? There was also a teaching moment for one of Hannah's goody-goody friends, who mentions that she's got enough period products for 'all the girls there', then has to repent and apologise when she realises her faux pas - although of course Hannah forgives her, because Hannah is the epitome of kindness.

TedsFederationRep · 22/08/2020 07:41

One last thing that struck me was how the actor who played Hannah seemed to be about 11/12 but most of the others in the year group seemed a lot taller and older - closer to 14/15.

I've seen only the stills but that struck me too. At that stage of childhood development, there are huge variations and differences of course but as a very general rule, girls shoot up and mature earlier than boys.

In fact, the person who plays Hannah was 14 at the time of filming last year so would have been the same age as the others. However, they transitioned at the age of nine.

A child.

And at this point, words fail me.

NotTerfNorCis · 22/08/2020 08:16

It's possible the actor was on puberty blockers.