Another Scottish Health Board throws women under the bus

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I include here an excerpt from Greater Glasgow and Clyde Health Board transgender policy document on how to act if a woman complains there is a man in her ward

Inpatient Scenario:
A nurse is summoned to a patient’s bed in a female ward. The patient appears to be agitated. When
asked what’s concerning her, the woman explains she didn’t expect to be sharing the ward with a
man and points to the bed opposite. She states it’s inappropriate to have ‘him’ in the ward with the
other women. She tells the nurse she can’t relax and wants ‘him’ removed from the ward. If this
doesn’t happen she’ll make a formal complaint – the hospital has a duty of care to look after her and
they’re not taking this seriously by putting her in this situation.
The nurse listens and tells the woman she’ll see what she can do. She says that she understands
having a transgender person on the ward will be upsetting to other women and leaves to talk with a
senior colleague about the matter.
The response to the patient’s concern isn’t appropriate and breaches legislative protection afforded to
transgender people. Someone’s trans status can not be disclosed to a third party without the express
permission of the trans person and the assumption that others in the ward will feel uncomfortable is
unfounded. In this instance there is no need to either disclose or seek permission to disclose gender
identity. The nurse should work to allay the patient’s concerns – it would be appropriate to re-iterate
that the ward is indeed female only and that there are no men present. Her duty of care extends to
protect patients from harassment and should the woman continue to make demands about the
removal of the transgender patient and be vocal in the ward it would be appropriate to remind her of
this. Ultimately it may be the complainant who is required to be removed.

Gaslighting and punishing the victim!

"it would be appropriate to re-iterate that the ward is indeed female only and that there are no men present."

"Ultimately it may be the complainant who is required to be removed."

Well, that's clear then.

I would like to know the answer if 7 women in an 8 bed ward all continue to "be vocal" and "make demands" - will they all be removed?

The whole document can be read from the Glinner site.

grahamlinehan.substack.com/

This is the largest health board in Scotland and yet they cannot guarantee female only wards.

www.nhsggc.org.uk/media/258956/gender-reassignment-policy-06032020.pdf

Here is the link to the document containing this recommendation.

The policy was approved in 2018.

This part is awful:

"it would be appropriate to re-iterate that the ward is indeed female only and that there are no men present"

I can understand that there are conflicting rights that need to be addressed (e.g. right to privacy of trans person), but gaslighting isn't the answer.

This is the largest health board in Scotland and yet they cannot guarantee female only wards.

it has always been the case that in some circumstances a single sex ward cannot be guaranteed, but in this case they are suggesting that the hospital just lies to somebody who is already in a vulnerable situation because they are a patient in a hospital. How can this be good practice?

"Ultimately it may be the complainant who is required to be removed."

To where? If to a private room, fine. If from the hospital, wtf?

It is also an obligation that hospitals have as far as possible single sex wards and yet this policy means that no wards in the largest Health Board in Scotlandcan be guaranteed to be single sexed.

So progressive to have policy built on lies and gaslighting.

It’s sucks but at least there’s the option of moving the theoretical woman. If enough of them want to be moved they will have to set up a “problematic women” ward. Perfect.

Already reported in the Mail in December:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7742703/Women-hospital-patients-complain-having-biological-male-bed-risk-kicked-out.html

The hospital's reply didn't make sense:

'We ask that all patients, staff and visitors adopt an understanding that we are all part of the same diverse gender spectrum.'

So if we are all just part of the 'same diverse' gender spectrum, why are you bothering with male and female wards, and more pertinently, do you know where babies come from?

Also, do you find that you often have problems at traffic lights, what with green and red both being part of the 'same diverse' colour spectrum?

I really don't see how telling a vulnerable woman that they are imagining things is a positive thing in a hospital scenario. This will be the same on mental health wards I assume, great!

I read this earlier from Glinner. It frightens me that people who do not know the difference between sex and gender are in charge of providing healthcare to anyone let alone the whole country. I thought it was a misprint when I read the NHS but about realigning their sex 😱😱😱

Ultimately it may be the complainant who is required to be removed.

I want to know what this means.

Do they mean "put in another ward/side room"?

Or do they mean "denied medical treatment and sent home because they know that biology - the basis of all medical science - is about external reality and facts rather than malleable according to one's ideological whims"?

I am worried they mean the second of these, and women could be discharged without receiving the medical treatment they need.

They can refuse to treat people who are abusive I think

But I really hope it's the first

Who knows

This is horrifying What is happening in this country?!

Even if moved to another ward it might mean a reduction in care, eg an orthopaedic patient on a general medical ward will miss out on specialist nursing and perhaps physio which they would have received as standard if they had remained on the female ortho ward. Also, what if the female patient is intellectually challenged and putting them in a single room might put them at risk.

She says that she understands having a transgender person on the ward will be upsetting to other women.

That's some mighty interesting wording there, in other words they know it's upsetting but they've decided it's not important. Not only that but their avoidance of using the word transwoman, transgender person is misleading, people could read that and think it refers to a transman, aka a woman.
But they can fuck right off with their "upsetting to other women" 😡😡 There is no "other women" because they aren't women for fucks sake

Someone’s trans status can not be disclosed to a third party without the express permission of the trans person.

I'm sorry but who the fuck wrote this? How stupid are these people? Or more to the point how stupid do they think we are? It doesn't need to be "disclosed." We can see what's in front of us. I mean if we couldn't tell someone was a transwoman their little scenario wouldn't happen would it?

That's some mighty interesting wording there, in other words they know it's upsetting but they've decided it's not important

it's even worse than that! That was the example of the wrong, "transphobic" thing to say.

The nurse is not allowed to acknowledge the possibility of vulnerable women being upset by the male's presence. The nurse is not even allowed to acknowledge that the male elephant in the room is male.

I would like to know the answer if 7 women in an 8 bed ward all continue to "be vocal" and "make demands" - will they all be removed?

it's likely to be the most vulnerable - i.e. elderly women, teenaged girls, women who are sick or weak - who won't make a fuss. The exact same group who would be most vulnerable to sexual assault should a predator decide that claiming trans status and being placed on a female ward is a great way of getting access to victims.

Surely by placing a male on a female ward they are in breach of ‘legislation about disclosing transgender status’ as what other justification can they give for placing him there?

Someone’s trans status can not be disclosed to a third party without the express permission of the trans person.

That one is a dilly of a pickle.

Surely if the woman has identified that the person in the bed opposite is a male, then by saying that that person is a woman, they've outed them? In fact, just putting them on the female ward has outed them!

it's even worse than that! That was the example of the wrong, "transphobic" thing to say. The nurse is not allowed to acknowledge the possibility of vulnerable women being upset by the male's presence. The nurse is not even allowed to acknowledge that the male elephant in the room is male.

That was the "wrong" thing to say? Jesus christ, and there was me thinking medical staff acknowledging the patient's distress was important.
All this stuff makes my head spin, i don't suppose they've given any thought as to the impact this will have on autistic women, those with learning disabilities and any other vulnerable women? Don't they have to at least pretend to consider such things?

SNAP Aesop

Treestumps Great minds..

It would only take one court case. just one

Must be about 10 years ago on here (countless name changes back and de-reg in frustration/re-reg cos it's the scan I can't stop picking) where I raised this as a hypothetical situation. I said back then the end game could be women being denied medical care for "hate speech". I was told I was catastrophising.

Yet here we are.

That is some crazy making bullshit. So you're in the ward next to an obvious bloke - beard and all. You complain to the nurse. And the nurse's response is to look around and say 'this is indeed a female only ward and there's no men here.' I'd feel like I was losing my mind. I was once delirious in hospital and was convinced there was an old lady trapped in my private toilet ( I was in a single room). The poor nurses had to reassure me that it was just me in there. I can't imagine how disorienting it would be to be told there' no men in the room when there is! This also just goes to show that the single sex provisions in the Equality Act are not being applied properly. In this scenario women do have a right to a female only space, like a ward, and it would have to be the male who is moved.