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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Another Scottish Health Board throws women under the bus

37 replies

334bu · 17/08/2020 14:49

I include here an excerpt from Greater Glasgow and Clyde Health Board transgender policy document on how to act if a woman complains there is a man in her ward

Inpatient Scenario:
A nurse is summoned to a patient’s bed in a female ward. The patient appears to be agitated. When
asked what’s concerning her, the woman explains she didn’t expect to be sharing the ward with a
man and points to the bed opposite. She states it’s inappropriate to have ‘him’ in the ward with the
other women. She tells the nurse she can’t relax and wants ‘him’ removed from the ward. If this
doesn’t happen she’ll make a formal complaint – the hospital has a duty of care to look after her and
they’re not taking this seriously by putting her in this situation.
The nurse listens and tells the woman she’ll see what she can do. She says that she understands
having a transgender person on the ward will be upsetting to other women and leaves to talk with a
senior colleague about the matter.
The response to the patient’s concern isn’t appropriate and breaches legislative protection afforded to
transgender people. Someone’s trans status can not be disclosed to a third party without the express
permission of the trans person and the assumption that others in the ward will feel uncomfortable is
unfounded. In this instance there is no need to either disclose or seek permission to disclose gender
identity. The nurse should work to allay the patient’s concerns – it would be appropriate to re-iterate
that the ward is indeed female only and that there are no men present. Her duty of care extends to
protect patients from harassment and should the woman continue to make demands about the
removal of the transgender patient and be vocal in the ward it would be appropriate to remind her of
this. Ultimately it may be the complainant who is required to be removed.

Gaslighting and punishing the victim!

OP posts:
merrymouse · 17/08/2020 16:55

The ridiculous thing is that if you really want to protect the privacy of trans patients you need to give them a private room so that details of medication and treatment aren’t revealed to the person in the next bed.

FlamingoAndJohn · 17/08/2020 17:03

What about the nurse, a medically trained person, having to deny biology?

What if the woman complaining is a rape or abuse survivor? Do her feelings count for nothing?

If the trans women in question has not had any surgery would they be in danger of missing out of sex specific examinations or being given in incorrect dose of a medication?

What about if it was the other way round? A trans man on a male ward? The thought of the young trans men I know spending a night on a male ward makes my blood run cold.

FlamingoAndJohn · 17/08/2020 17:04

@merrymouse

The ridiculous thing is that if you really want to protect the privacy of trans patients you need to give them a private room so that details of medication and treatment aren’t revealed to the person in the next bed.
Quite.

‘Good morning Miss Jones, I’m just going to check your prostate’.

I’m sure the trans woman would feel happier in a private room too.

PotholeParadise · 17/08/2020 17:08

@merrymouse

The ridiculous thing is that if you really want to protect the privacy of trans patients you need to give them a private room so that details of medication and treatment aren’t revealed to the person in the next bed.
This is why I thought this mess would never happen. Putting a trans patient in their birth sex or in the ward of the sex they live as outs them.

They need to be in private rooms, and that's what the trans rights movement used to lobby for!

Aesopfable · 17/08/2020 17:11

I’m sure the trans woman would feel happier in a private room too.

No, because they don’t want to be on a female ward, they want to be on a ward with females.

GrinitchSpinach · 17/08/2020 17:12
Angry
Aesopfable · 17/08/2020 17:19

^not all of them, I am sure there are some who would be horrified to be on a female ward and recognise that women need privacy.

ThePurported · 17/08/2020 17:24

@Aesopfable

Surely by placing a male on a female ward they are in breach of ‘legislation about disclosing transgender status’ as what other justification can they give for placing him there?
They are working on the assumption that everyone knows and believes in the gender spectrum. A male on a female ward is a woman, obviously. The next step is to abolish 'trans' once the erasure of sex is complete. Or we might end up with some kind of men/non-men scenario as proposed by Scottish Greens.
fascinated · 17/08/2020 18:18

This HAS to be taken to court. Surely?

NiceGerbil · 17/08/2020 18:20

Non binary people would go on preferred ward.

What if a male NB person feels more comfy on the female ward. The nurse can't say they are a woman because they're NB.

I mean it's all nonsense tbh.

Jaxhog · 17/08/2020 18:25

I really, really wish we could make these official bodies distinguish between 'female' and 'woman'. I'd actually prefer distinguishing between 'woman' and transwoman', but it doesn't seem like will ever happen. A transwoman should NOT be allowed on a female-only ward if they are physically still male - they should be on a male ward. It should be pretty clear cut in a hospital!

Jaxhog · 17/08/2020 18:27

men/non-men scenario as proposed by Scottish Greens

I think that's where we're headed. Except, of course, transwomen will still be women.

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