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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans adults more likely to be autistic, Times article

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Igneococcus · 08/08/2020 09:13

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d1661bf8-d8e9-11ea-8f95-6d813022b2d7?shareToken=97ad8c8db000611477b2450e544f28b2

According to this article both sex and gender can get "assigend" at birth.

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persistentwoman · 17/08/2020 17:31

Good for you Suffrajester (love the name). I hope that your group flourishes.

NonnyMouse1337 · 17/08/2020 17:50

Suffrajester it might be worth gathering evidence of gender identity material that is provided to young autistic people.

There's some info in this thread -
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3909717-Autism-providing-healthy-and-positive-alternatives-to-Gender-Identity-ideology

Some parents have said how their child was sent to a gender identity seminar.
Online information also pushes gender ideology quite heavily.

Groups like Safe Schools Alliance have challenged transgender teaching materials being used in schools. Maybe they have resources on their site that might be useful in drafting letters to various autism organisations, although I don't know what else can be done.

Suffrajester · 17/08/2020 17:57

Thanks NonnyMouse1337, that's very useful. Forwomen.scot have been going through Scottish educational materials, and Transgender Trend recently brought out a dossier about Stonewall and special needs education. Good call on Safe Schools Alliance, I haven't seen anything specific from them but I'll have a look and see what they have, they've done a lot of good work on the issue and on safeguarding in general.

Suffrajester · 17/08/2020 18:12

@OvaHere

One of my sons is on the spectrum (he's diagnosed). He's 16 and so far has shown no interest in gender identity politics to my knowledge. I can see where it would spring from though.

He has in the past displayed quite rigid views about gender roles which in my opinion stems from a desire to categorise everything, which I think is one way he tries to make sense of the world. It's not really that different to what we all do to some extent he's just a bit more black and white about it than the average person without an ASC.

For example a couple of years ago his younger brother had his ear pierced and chose one of those fashionable diamanté style earrings. He couldn't stop going on at him and us that this was a 'girls earring' and his brother shouldn't have picked it because he is a boy. He was quite fixated on it for a while.

I had to spend a lot of time reiterating that it didn't matter, that 'things' don't actually belong to boys or girls and all the other debunking of stereotypes. He eventually let it drop but he does have a tendency to get a bit of a fixation about these sort of things. I can completely see how he would be susceptible to the sorts of explanations groups like Mermaids churn out.

I'm convinced the autistic desire/tendency to categorise things to understand them is part of that, I remember when I was about your son's age, I would draw Venn diagrams and write set theory about which sorts of social interactions were acceptable with which sorts of people - eg you can talk about personal issues with family and close friends and your medical professionals, and you can hug family and friends, and of those you can only do interactions that involve touch if you ask first (either vocally ask or imply an ask, say, by holding your hand out and they can decide to shake it, or open your arms wide and look at then and they'll decide to hug or decline it, that sort of thing). Whenever I see these lists on places like Tumblr or Reddit of endless "genders" and "sexualities" other than hetero/homo/bi, like "moongender" or "neutrois", I think, "classic autistic behaviour!" We like labels and definitions and clarity, and although the whole gender thing looks really opaque to me, it must have some meaning or explanation to these kids. On the one hand I identify with their need to categorise and classify everything, but on the other it scares me how easily I could've fallen for it, and I wish they had support to understand the world without this gender lens on it. They could learn about different personalities or different social interactions and then learn that each person has their own likes and dislikes and behaviours, and as they get to know more people they'll get a better idea of the variety and how these categories are more of a guideline than a hard rule, and a lot of "gender" rules are rubbish and extremely narrowly culture specific anyway.
Jeeeez · 17/08/2020 19:19

I agree with you Suffrajester - the categorisation seems very autistic. And when you read pro-gender identity people's stories or books they often/all seem to struggle both socially and with describing how they feel, which could also be very autistism based.

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