Poppy Troll Doll

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This must be an Internet wind up?

Let me just check if it's a hoax:

leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2020/08/fact-check-dreamworks-trolls-doll-is-not-designed-to-groom-young-children-for-pedohiles.html

Was DreamWorks Trolls World Tour Giggle 'n Sing Poppy Troll doll designed with a "private parts" button to groom young children for pedophiles? No, that's not true: The button on the rear bottom of the toy was designed to trigger giggling sounds whenever the doll is placed in a sitting position. There is no evidence, beyond the fears of some mothers, that the button is part of a secret strategy by the toymaker to prep kids for sex trafficking.

Phew. That's all right then.

Seriously?

That’s sick. Children play with dolls by acting out normal things. Putting them to bed, tea parties, clothes off and on.

You get bears that growl when you poke their tummy, kids like to be the bear and do what the bear does.

Dolls are used in therapy. In interviews with children about abuse.

That doll should be recalled.

right before suggesting people who see how totally fucked up this doll are operating from "confirmation bias".

'Confirmation bias' refers to the hypothetical engineer. Sorry if it wasn't clear:

I can see how confirmation bias might play a role (an engineer expecting to hear silly, innocuous noises and perceiving them as such).

means any attempt to form a conspiring group would be risky, essentially a 19/20 (at minimum) chance of losing their job at each interaction
with a new individual

How do you think the very many grooming gangs manage? The ones I know about had literally hundreds of men in any given gang, these then branched out to swap children within different gangs. My best estimate is much more than 5% of men are paedophiles. Just from my own interactions in grooming gangs.

As for chances of losing jobs, lots dont officially work, lots work together in the same building/company/type of employment, they are best mates with the boss who is also a paedophile, no chance of losing your job when you and your boss are into the same illegal stuff.

Gurufloof, I'm very sorry that you had to have any interactions with grooming gangs at all. I should say that I'm not terribly sociable and rather socially oblivious (I'm even generally surprised when I learn that people I've met are homosexual, for example; not that homosexuals should 'act' a particular way, more that I didn't notice their partners). I also grew up in a rather sleepy part of England where the biggest local scandals were a fairly amicable divorce and a child born out of wedlock. For these reasons, I'm relying upon published figures since I'm not aware of anyone I've had more than a passing meeting with turning out to be a paedophile.

Regarding members of grooming gangs, hundreds out of the population of the average town doesn't seem to stretch the 5% figure. However, I'm more than willing to read any literature you can provide that describes higher numbers. I really regret having contemplated this but I can also imagine the incredibly horrible notion of certain members who aren't necessarily attracted to children participating as a form of social bonding.

Please do forgive me but that last thought has turned my stomach and, while I'll read anything you link to at a later date, I can't really continue discussing this in the near future. Sorry.

Sleepy and rural doesn't mean it doesn't happen, even if you haven't noticed it. I live in a very rural county, but I used to play football with women who worked in child protection (both social services and the police) and have a close friend in public health - all said all of the local small-ish towns had issues with grooming gangs and trafficking. We often think of trafficking as involving women being brought from other countries, but round here it's more likely to be some 14 to 18 year old girl moved 10 miles up the road to the next town and kept in a brothel, too ashamed to get back in touch with her family.

I have friends in the far north of Scotland - there's problems with paedophilia there too, even on some of the very sparsely populated islands (to my horror it turned out I knew one personally; the first I knew about it was a phone call from his offender management team).

but I just don't imagine that they would risk exposure in order to make a perverse toy.

It's not just a perverse toy tho. And within these companies you can always pull out plausible deniability.

It's a toy that one could gift to a child with the intention of desensitising them.

The song this Troll Doll sings is "girls just wanna have fun".

The whole thing is more than creepy.

If anyone gifted this to any child it would raise massive red flags.

The song this Troll Doll sings is "girls just wanna have fun".

Jeez. I didn't know that. Girls just wanna have fun, and giggles when you touch their genitals? Ffs.

Jeez. I didn't know that. Girls just wanna have fun, and giggles when you touch their genitals? Ffs.

You can hear it for yourself after the 6 minute mark of this unboxing video.

Regarding members of grooming gangs, hundreds out of the population of the average town doesn't seem to stretch the 5% figure. However, I'm more than willing to read any literature you can provide that describes higher numbers

Nah, in this you are wrong, it's not hundreds in the population of the average town, its thousands. And for the last part I'm sure you could Google if you actually cared to.

Just remember when you Google, for every girl who came forward and stated 10/20/30 men in a gang, there are literally thousands of girls who didnt come forward, there are grooming gangs still today. But the only people who want to do something about it are the sex class formerly known as women.

This doll anyway is nothing about grooming gangs, but it's all about grooming.

Hasbro has pulled the toy after public complaints:
nypost.com/2020/08/06/hasbro-pulls-trolls-doll-after-complaints-it-grooms-children-for-abuse/

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Fluttershy is a bit worrying, very big and a lot younger than Rarity.

So have Hasbro pulled it and recalled or just pulled it and offering an exchange? Personally I think they should all be recalled.

A Daily Mail article always brings a bit more sunlight...

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8603781/Trolls-doll-pulled-shelves-mother-shares-video-making-sexual-sounds.html

Having read the Audi thread and the posts there trying to convince people that their concerns about dodgy sexualised subtexts mean they're paranoid or they're the actual paedophiles, I'm coming to the view that some people are deliberately putting dodgy products, adverts, memes etc into the public domain that have enough deniability about them so that when people cry "foul", they can be made to look foolish or unbalanced with the aim of making it more difficult to cry "foul" in the future. This is to open the door to more dodgy stuff being put into the public domain that as time passes gets harder to challenge.

I wonder what's the cross-over with queering of the public domain?

This is to open the door to more dodgy stuff being put into the public domain that as time passes gets harder to challenge
Yup, I'm pretty sure the grand plan is exactly what you say.
The advent of the internet made it easier in lots of ways.

Either that or no one is being educated in safeguarding and actually listening and taking it in. Apparently teachers are involved in this fuck safeguarding thing.

The advent of the internet made it easier in lots of ways

On the other hand, the Internet is also on our side.

That is to say, without Mumsnet and similar onlineplaces, how would we all - mums, dads, nurses, teaches, carers - know about these things, share our concerns and discuss how to deal with them plainly? And fundraise for Allison, Keira etc?