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SNP trying to sideline Gender Critical Parliamentarians

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Dances · 31/07/2020 18:00

It will not allow Joanna Cherry to run for MSP in her constituency without resigning as an MP. The NEC has just changed the rules for this.

ALSO not allowing sitting MSP James Dorman to recontest his seat as they are making it women only, allegedly to make way for one of the most active 'trans right's campaigners, Rhiannon Spear.

mobile.twitter.com/AyeYesSco/status/1289236538866335746

Night of The SNP Chibs , I think

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wellbehavedwomen · 31/07/2020 18:06

Someone's telling James Dornan to ID as a woman. After all, acceptance without exception - right?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 31/07/2020 19:03

Why isn't Edinburgh Central being made women only?

Will be interesting if Dornan stands as an independent...

This seems to be pissing a lot of people of though, the NEC choosing candidates rather than the local branch.

ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 31/07/2020 19:10

I don't know anything about Ms. Spear. Is she one of those female women, or the important type?

SunsetBeetch · 31/07/2020 19:15

@ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings

I don't know anything about Ms. Spear. Is she one of those female women, or the important type?

The former, but she wouldn't make a distinction between the two herself.

TreestumpsAndTrampolines · 31/07/2020 19:16

Someone's telling James Dornan to ID as a woman. After all, acceptance without exception - right?

I mean - it would certainly bring everything screaming into the public consciousness.

Dornan just won't have a career after doing it, so it would be a sacrifice I can't imagine he'd make.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 31/07/2020 19:26

Ms Spear most vociferously and angrily declines that there is any difference between normal women and more special women.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 31/07/2020 19:28

Hm. I am not a fan of the SNP, but I might join.

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 31/07/2020 19:43

Stacking the deck in an ongoing mockery of democracy

scotsheather · 31/07/2020 19:50

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

Why isn't Edinburgh Central being made women only?

Will be interesting if Dornan stands as an independent...

This seems to be pissing a lot of people of though, the NEC choosing candidates rather than the local branch.

Blaenau Gwent 2005 is an example of this. Male ally to women or kool aid drinking female? I know my preference.

highame · 31/07/2020 20:08

wooowoo just look at those tweets. I couldn't find one that backed the NEC.

DidoLamenting · 31/07/2020 20:34

will not allow Joanna Cherry to run for MSP in her constituency without resigning as an MP. The NEC has just changed the rules for this

Why are you complaining about this?

It's the right thing to do. Salmond had his snout in 2 troughs picking a Westminster salary and Holyrood salary. There's no justication for allowing someone to sit in 2 seats.

I loathe the SNP but this is actually one of their rare sensible measures.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 31/07/2020 21:22

Surely it would be possible to run for MP, but resign as MSP if successful?

Aesopfable · 31/07/2020 21:30

@ScrimpshawTheSecond

Surely it would be possible to run for MP, but resign as MSP if successful?

Other way round - the Scottish elections are next spring.

I saw something somewhere (just a headline that I didn’t manage to return to) that the BBC were going to (or someone had complained?) stop NS daily briefings as they were political. I agree with this - so close to an election the SNP should not be able to make daily political broadcasts.

scotsheather · 31/07/2020 21:38

DidoLamenting

In principal I agree but timing is a bit convenient isn't it? Why not do it from the start of devolution? Dornan situation confirms suspicions.

Wonder if McAlpine is in their sights as well. Not sure they can pull a fast one on her so easily but you never know.

BlackForestCake · 31/07/2020 22:08

They are not daily SNP broadcasts, they are briefings from the government.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 31/07/2020 22:44

Ah, thanks Aesop.

Aesopfable · 31/07/2020 23:54

@BlackForestCake

They are not daily SNP broadcasts, they are briefings from the government.

They are both. Her points are also political. Any criticism of westminster is not just government briefing it is political, talk about closing borders is political, claiming England had withheld PPE was political (turned out they hadn’t), manipulating statistics is political.

Aesopfable · 31/07/2020 23:56

Yes I know Boris does this too. Perhaps the briefing need to be cross-party?

DidoLamenting · 01/08/2020 00:07

@Aesopfable

Yes I know Boris does this too. Perhaps the briefing need to be cross-party?

Boris doesn’t tell lies about what is happening in Scotland.

Aesopfable · 01/08/2020 00:11

Nor is there a UK election in 9 months time.

DidoLamenting · 01/08/2020 00:16

In principal I agree but timing is a bit convenient isn't it? Why not do it from the start of devolution? Dornan situation confirms suspicions

I couldn't care less about any of them, but in as much as I can summon any interest in the machinations of the SNP it seems perfectly reasonable to say to Cherry

No, you can't do an Eck and pick up 2 salaries.

You took on the job of being Westminster MP - either get on with or if you want a new job then resign and get on with that.

There's really something a bit off in Cherry spotting a better job as a Holyrood MSP but trying to cling on to the Westminster job , just in case.

Al1Langdownthecleghole · 01/08/2020 07:49

I thought it was about the clash between Cherry & Sturgeon and NC needing to limit JC's powerbase?
Also think it's because Joanna Cherry supported/supports Alex Salmond rather than about gender issues?

IAN Scottish so prepared to be corrected though.

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Dances · 01/08/2020 07:55

Dido
I don't think she meant to keep both, and I agree with you re Salmond and two salaries.

Her point is that people don't normally have to make themselves unemployed to apply for another job. So she would resign from Westminster if she was elected in Holyrood.

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DidoLamenting · 01/08/2020 08:31

Her point is that people don't normally have to make themselves unemployed to apply for another job. So she would resign from Westminster if she was elected in Holyrood

I don't agree it's the same as applying for a new job. Cherry took on the commitment of being an MP .She should see that through.

I really think it's not acceptable to publicly demonstrate in the case of an MP who was elected to serve her constituents that she fancies a better job but if she doesn't get it she'll make do with the old one.

I have no respect for Cherry. She is lauded on here because of her views on trans issues but posters are happy to ignore her haste in demanding Salmond be readmitted into the party.

Salmond wasn't found guilty but his trial clearly demonstrated his conduct was very questionable and the great feminist Cherry has nothing to say about that.

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Dances · 01/08/2020 08:59

At this point I probably hate the SNP more than you do Dido and I'm not picking Cherry's side but I do think it's unreasonable to expect her to resign her other post first. Didnt Alan Smyth resigned his MEP position after MSP election?

It is clear that SNP are changing the rules to oust those who do not toe the line. I'm more than happy for this to become big news amongst the party faithful. Sidelining Jamie Dorman is not going to be popular either.

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