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SNP trying to sideline Gender Critical Parliamentarians

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Dances · 31/07/2020 18:00

It will not allow Joanna Cherry to run for MSP in her constituency without resigning as an MP. The NEC has just changed the rules for this.

ALSO not allowing sitting MSP James Dorman to recontest his seat as they are making it women only, allegedly to make way for one of the most active 'trans right's campaigners, Rhiannon Spear.

mobile.twitter.com/AyeYesSco/status/1289236538866335746

  • Night of The SNP Chibs , I think
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Dances · 01/08/2020 09:25

I'm hoping Miss Leeze will stand in Cathcart....

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Dances · 01/08/2020 09:37

In other news, Patrick Harvie has resigned as Honorary Associate of the National Secular Society because they oppose the Scottish Government's Hate Crime Bill.

He says it is because The Christian Institute also opposes it, so therefore the NSS must support the Christian Institute. Which is pretty dumb reasoning.

mobile.twitter.com/patrickharvie/status/1289261588218748928

Also, opposing the Bill: The Law Society of Scotland, The Scottish Police Federation, The Catholic Church, The Orange Order, The Humanist Society .

Quite a mixed bunch of baddies.

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ScrimpshawTheSecond · 01/08/2020 09:38

Not sure that MSP is seen as a 'better' job - isn't it the other way round, usually? I thought Cherry had her sights on FM, for which I think she needs to be MSP.

All the machinations and rule changing certainly isn't doing the party any favours, though I suppose it's par for the course in politics.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 01/08/2020 09:40

Patrick Harvie giving a glorious display of logic failure, there. What a silly man.

sonicbook · 01/08/2020 09:41

Boris doesn’t tell lies about what is happening in Scotland

Stick a fork in me - I'm done 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Quote of the fucking day LOL

DidoLamenting · 01/08/2020 09:57

Not sure that MSP is seen as a 'better' job - isn't it the other way round, usually? I thought Cherry had her sights on FM, for which I think she needs to be MSP

It's patently the better job then. It's her career advancement. She's a small fish at Westminster hoping to be a big fish at Holyrood.

DidoLamenting · 01/08/2020 09:58

@sonicbook

Boris doesn’t tell lies about what is happening in Scotland

Stick a fork in me - I'm done 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Quote of the fucking day LOL

In the context of Corona Boris has not lied about Scotland in the way Sturgeon has lied about both Scotland and England.
Maduixa · 01/08/2020 11:48

Under this alleged new SNP rule, a candidate would have to resign as an MP AND CLOSE HER/HIS CONSTITUENCY OFFICE "in time to schedule a by-election at the same time as the Holyrood election". So the entire constituency staff is unemployed (odd thing to suddenly propose, during a global pandemic) and the constituents not represented for a period of months.

It's unprecedented, and it's just not sound policy-making - ESPECIALLY for the SNP, which sees HR as more important than WM in a hypothetical and wished-for transition to Scottish independence. SNP WM Depute Leader Kirsty Blackman (no Cherry ally, as she explains - but rumoured to be considering her own WM > HR move) made some good points here in advance of the NEC decision: twitter.com/KirstySNP/status/1288748079743672321

I don't doubt that Joanna Cherry COULD still pursue an MSP position if she wanted to. She'll have the savings/investments to weather a few months of unemployment, and if she somehow did resign from WM but fail to be elected to HR, I'm sure there's remunerative demand for her expertise in Scotland and beyond. She also has dual British/Irish citizenship, so the whole EU world will still be (theoretically) open to her even after it closes to most of us this December. She's undoubtedly already taken a pay cut to move from practising QC to MP, and was open to take another to move from MP to MSP. Call it political positioning in the service of personal ambition if you like (although if it is that, I don't see it as distinct from the motives of Sturgeon or Robertson), but the twaddlers wittering about how she's just out to make money easily expose themselves as clueless.

The concept that constituents would/should be angry about a by-election is pushed, and has some merit - but I'm not sure how true it is overall. First of all, Cherry was asked by her SNP branch to put her name in for the MSP position. Second, the general public seem to be in favour of by-elections even when there's no legal requirement: for example, when Douglas Carswell switched from Conservative to UKIP and when Zac Goldsmith switched from Conservative to Independent. There was considerable public criticism in the last Parliament when several MPs changed party or went independent (Anna Soubry, Chukka Umanna, Philip Lee - there were a lot more) WITHOUT calling for a by-election, even though the law did not require a by-election.

Rumour also has it that Alistair Darling (LAB) is planning a bid for the Edi Central constituency. A boon for popcorn manufacturers, if true: Cherry could likely beat him, but I doubt Robertson can. There's also the question of who will stand for the Conservatives, who currently hold the seat (Ruth Davidson is standing down). Everybody sensible is shutting up and relying on the rumour mill under cover of the fact that campaigning is suspended due to COVID; I can't help feeling that Robertson has shot his load prematurely (sorry) in all of this, and there will be a backlash.

NonnyMouse1337 · 01/08/2020 12:04

Oh wow, I did not know that Patrick Harvie was an Honorary Associate of the NSS.

I think he's upset because the NSS have formally supported the Christian Institute as part of the Free to Disagee campaign, rather than the fact that their concerns and criticisms happen to be similar to arguments put forward by religious groups like the Christian Institute.

theskyispink · 01/08/2020 14:53

@sonicbook

Boris doesn’t tell lies about what is happening in Scotland

Stick a fork in me - I'm done 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Quote of the fucking day LOL

I've heard bells give smaller clangers than that quote. Jeezo!
ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 01/08/2020 19:26

I see Marco Biagi is now standing for Edinburgh Central too - does anyone know his position on women's rights?

DidoLamenting · 01/08/2020 21:34

The lunatic fringe is giving him a hard time about writing an article in The Times.

mobile.twitter.com/MarcoGBiagi/status/1289484995447275520

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 01/08/2020 21:39

It's interesting - I'm sure the lunatic fringe is much larger than it used to be. SNP used to be famed for its control over its Party, and now it's in danger of completely falling apart.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 01/08/2020 21:46

I would strongly suppose that the reason Cherry has been sidelined is to do with Salmond and other factions, rather than anything to do with feminism.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 01/08/2020 21:48

Biagi's Times article gets lots of responses banging on about Murdoch, and nobody responding to the content.

BentBastard · 01/08/2020 22:15

It's now reported that this decision had been reversed as unconstitutional.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 01/08/2020 22:17

Woah!

BentBastard · 01/08/2020 22:21

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SNP trying to sideline Gender Critical Parliamentarians
Silencia · 01/08/2020 22:41

In 2014, Marco Biagi spoke in favour of removing "spousal veto" on GRCs: www.parliament.scot/parliamentarybusiness/report.aspx%3Fr%3D9270%26mode%3Dpdf&ved=2ahUKEwiGzpeh9frqAhVoUhUIHTdpD9sQFjAAegQIBRAC&usg=AOvVaw1g20WZAWe8wNcqU3rggAEg

6 years ago, of course. But he was an SNP Minister so I would guess he would hold/express fairly standard SNP HQ lines?

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