A call out for Gender Critical Green Party members

[letterem]

GREEN PARTY MEMBERS - If there are any members left on here who are interested in trying to overturn the current policies about women, and who want to know which motions to support , here are 3 that you may want to look at. The deadline is evening of Saturday 1st August

Each motion needs 11 votes in order to get onto the agenda , so even if you don't normally get involved in these things as a member, giving a vote to these motions is going to help the people trying to fight this within the party.

You can find the motions through this survey monkey link www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/MotionsAut2020Mobile

These are 'E' motions, so you have to skip through A-D

'Reaffirming women’s sex-based rights (2)' (please don't click on the number 1 with the same title)
This motion is to make sure data is gathered on the basis of sex rather than gender

'Strengthening the rights of transgender, non-binary and agender people' -This proposal is to remove the 'trans women are women ' text from green party policy'

and
'Protecting trans-identified children and young people' This proposal is to strengthen the safeguards around young people wanting to transition

Thanks

Thanks, and done.

UPDATE - Green Party members are allowed to propose 4 motions, so as well as the 3 above , if you want to know what to do with your 4th vote,

The 'D' section motion 'Make membership of the Young Greens an inalienable right for young members'
is a useful one.
What this motion calls for is to make everyone over 30 ineligible to be in the young greens - at the moment mature students can be in young greens and there are people of 50 years old mixed in with them , which is not great, and is a safeguarding issue.

Done

Hey @teawamutu can you DM your choices by any chance? Thanks ever so x

How is it a safeguarding issue?

I thought it would be more useful to post the proposed motion rather than try to explain it :

D Motion: Make membership of the Young Greens an automatic opt-in right for young members 16-29 inclusive.

ORIGINAL TEXT: the current text of the bye-law 2) referred to in article 5 xii) of the GPEW constitution reads,

"Members may also opt to be members of the Young Greens. The age and eligibility of Young Greens shall be as outlined in the Young Greens’ constitution."

PROPOSED TEXT/ ACTION: Delete all of the current bye-law 5xii) subsection 2) and replace with:

5xii) 2): 'Members who are between the ages of 16 years and 29 years inclusive have an automatic right to join, and participate in all activities of, the Young Greens if they so wish.’

Rationale - \

I was a Young Green well into my 40s, due to being an Open University student. I think it’s fair to say, people above a certain age-bracket have more age-appropriate avenues by which to participate in green politics. We can liaise between age groups of course, but everyone needs ‘their age-appropriate space’. EDIT: I’m still a Young Green and now 53.


Most importantly, Safeguarding. Age-appropriate content and conversations should be paramount in safeguarding practice. It is against safeguarding practice for children/ vulnerable young people to be present in situations which cannot be controlled for adult content.

Children and young adults also need their own age-appropriate spaces too.


There should be no barriers for entry, within these proposed age-group parameters, the Code of Conduct is of course applicable at all times. EDIT: this does not affect the YG’s current disciplanry processes.

Our commitment to safeguarding after the Verita & IICSA reports, is clear:
www.iicsa.org.uk/publications/investigation/westminster/part-j-safeguarding/j2-safeguarding-and-child-protection-policies-government-departments-political-parties-and-palace
The Liberal Democrats have a model policy, which prescribes more stringent age-bracketing.
d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/libdems/pages/58945/attachments/original/1591881396/A_Guide_and_Code_of_Conduct_for_Working_with_Young_People_and_Vulnerable_Adults_V2_%28002%29_%281.1%29.pdf?1591881396

Young Liberals - opt-out for under 26s (I disagree with this, it should be opt-in), but have an opt-in for 26-30. 30 is the cut-off.
Young Conservatives - a cut off at 25 years old. Opt-out.
Young Labour - 14-26 years old. Opt-out.

What do you think of Shahrar Ali's chances?

I just signed up to vote for him. He is fantastic.

twitter.com/shahrarali/status/1289222583729049606?s=21

His speech on raising women's voices was great. Just look at Berry and Sexton's responses though - utterly juvenile

Just rejoined last week after lapsed membership.
Done - Many thanks for this really helpful info :)

I am voting for Shahrar Ali for leader, he will focus on the environment & climate change. And he knows what a woman is. Also Andrea Carey wotsit for deputy she knows what women are & has been brave & clear,. There are some other very good candidates, Claudine Letsae for International coordinator for instance.

Definitely Shahrar for leader. Andrea as Deputy too would make a great team. There are so many good candidates for officer roles. Watch this space!

@letterem

Hi I just signed up to the Green Party so that I could vote for Shahrar Ali. I've never been a member of a political party before before so don't really understand the ins and outs of motion proposal.

If we follow the link and support the suggested motions, does that mean our names appear on some official documents? Do we need to attend the local area meetings to support the motions? Do we have to make a speech? Will other people be able to see that we are the ones who supported the motions (ie. will we be outed as GCFs)? Is our support related to a motion in our local area or for the motion as a national motion?

Sorry not sure how all this works but would like to understand more.

Thanks for the explanation re safeguarding as I was puzzled. Though it seems daft you can be 50 and a young green! I feel 25 is appropriate to be honest, though these days more under 30s are struggling to be independent of their parents.

Summerhillsquare, I'm intrigued by your name as know that area well, if it's behind the biker shops and near the station ;)

greenup I've had to have it all explained to me as I'm not political.

It's just a way to vote for the motion to be discussed I think? I don't think you have to attend.

@GreenUp,
Hi, Yes I think that you would be listed as a co-proposer, however the voting has ended for the motions now. Fortunately , a lot of the ones I supported got through. Some of the ones i was less keen on also did too, but that was to be expected.
The next round is the prioritisation ballot. Members can vote on the order of the motions presented at conference . I am not sure how that is done , but I will post it up when I do .

In a separate vote, tomorrow the elections open for members to vote for the leaders deputies and other runners and riders. I prefer Shahrar Ali, Andrea Fuller, and Cleo Lake Then RON, but its a personal preference.
Members should receive an email to vote I believe.

The motion written by Green Party Women got through :

Reaffirming women's sex based rights
“Sex refers to biology which is immutable , gender is a social construction
Discrimination against women may be based on their perceived sex , however there are aspects of discrimination females face based on sex rather than gender.
To address discrimination it is imperative that accurate sex- segregated data is collected.

Motion
Insert into RR540
Women's Rights
The Green Party calls for a review of the language used in law, in government bodies and NGOs to ensure that sex and gender are not conflated, and that accurate terminology is used where relevant which recognises that the category 'woman', which was formerly a sex based category, is now, by some parties , considered to be gender based.
When data is being collected and analysed to form policy in relation to women, regard should be paid as to whether the data is segregated by sex or by gender, and sex segregated data must be collected in order to monitor the effect of the alteration in the categorisation of women is having on women”

I unfortunately have a Green Party Candidate on my Facebook who is calling JKR a "Terf Karen"
And never fails to comment on women's issues in the style of OJ.
He'll go far.

@AvocadoBathroom
Unfortunately there are a lot of young woke greens in the party, and the current leadership is enthralled by them

Are any of the Lords candidates not a complete waste of space in terms of women's rights?

Hi, Andrew Cooper and Rupert Read, - Rupert has been more outspoken Sadly, Molly Scott Cato has been K'aided though she is great on other issues and it may be tactical to vote for her to keep out Amelia Womack.

After Andrew, Rupert and possibly Molly,
RON (re-open nominations)
You don't have to put all the candidates down, so dont include the ones you don't want to see anywhere near leadership.

Above is for House of lords BTW

Here's my personal list:

Leader
Shahrar, RON
Deputy Leaders Andrea Carey Fuller, Cleo lake, RON

House of Lords
Andrew Cooper
Rupert Read
Molly Scott Cato

Campaigns Co-Ordinator
Britta Goodman

Chair
Ewan Jones or
Liz Reason
Elections Co-Ordinator
Zoe Nicholson

External Communications Co-Ordinator
Molly Scott Cato - not GC but better than the other one
International Co-Ordinator
Claudine Letsae
Management Co-Ordinator
Richard Bearman

Policy Development Co-Ordinator
Mick Gregg.

Publications Co-Ordinator
Julia Lagoutte
Trade Union Liaison Officer
Theo Simon

I think that a new thread may be helpful on this @letterem
I also agree with you completely that voting for Molly is a much better option than for Peter Underwood as External Comms.

Could you also explain the importance of voting for RON in some cases on this & other threads please? This is especially important for the Young Greens selection, all of whom are Woke beyond description and don't allow any other views to be discussed.

I am not well versed in the intricacies of the voting system, but if you add all the candidates in order of preference including the ones you are not keen on, the ones you put at 4 and 5 still get some points. if you leave them off altogether and put RON, they get 0 points, and it allows for the Re-opening of Nominations

Def Theo, he's GC and a top bloke