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Shop , woman . Its your duty. James o Brien gaslights caller about face masks.

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HeIenaDove · 21/07/2020 22:37

twitter.com/LBC/status/1285148362686320643?s=20

The misogyny here is vomit inducing. A woman being berated for NOT refusing to wear a face mask just not shopping as much, while men are drinking and fighting in those magic pubs where the virus cant be passed on.

He tried to say she was refusing to wear a mask and then berated her for not wanting to walk around John Lewis with one on.

She wasnt refusing to wear a mask She just said she would be shopping a bit less.

Gaslighting prick

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Destroyedpeople · 21/07/2020 22:40

I don't even know who this O Brien character is. Don't understand why feminism threads are clogged up with what some obscure misogynist has said.

Destroyedpeople · 21/07/2020 22:40

And 'gaslight'...really?

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HeIenaDove · 21/07/2020 22:41

@LangClegsInSpace

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NotTerfNorCis · 21/07/2020 22:46

He does sound like someone picking an argument for the sake of it. Not a very nice person. I guess he's trying to entertain his listeners.

ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble · 21/07/2020 22:50

A lot of the comments are missing the point spectacularly, which makes it even worse.

Destroyedpeople · 21/07/2020 22:55

Well what was the point? That misogynist twats work on the radio?.....Hot news!
Still not sure why what some unpleasant little man says has to be discussed at length on a feminist board.
But go on explain to me what I have 'spectacularly ' missed.

Original poster
HeIenaDove · 21/07/2020 23:01

So the feminism board is not the right place to discuss misogyny

Duly noted.

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Thelnebriati · 21/07/2020 23:03

ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble was referring to the comments on the Twitter thread.

Just hide this thread if you find it annoying, there are plenty of other topics to post on, or you could start a discussion.

Destroyedpeople · 21/07/2020 23:06

I just think that we spend too much time talking about what ridiculous little men who don't deserve the attention have said. Reinforces their false sense of importance. ..

Waffleswaffles · 21/07/2020 23:09

I am not sure that is what gaslighting means.

Destroyedpeople · 21/07/2020 23:13

It's not what gaslighting means no.

Original poster
HeIenaDove · 21/07/2020 23:16

That is a fair point @Destroyedpeople We do spend too much time on them.

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ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble · 21/07/2020 23:17

Thank you TheInebriati that's exactly what I meant.

I find it interesting that people are willing to waste their time on such a "pointless" thread, by explaining to OP just how pointless is it and how wrong she is. Funny that.

Destroyedpeople · 21/07/2020 23:23

'Funny that'...I think I made a fair comment. I don't mind spending time getting my point across. ..
There's threads all the time these days..
''Twatt man A' said this Twatt man B said that...
.....

MotheringShites · 21/07/2020 23:24

I’m not in the slightest bit surprised by Jo’B’s sneering take on a perfectly reasonable position. I am a little taken aback by the amount of people who clearly didn’t actually listen to the call before commenting. That headline is a terrible misrepresentation of what she actually was saying.

NothingIsWrong · 21/07/2020 23:42

This is my position as well. I will wear a mask where it's required. You can't also mandate that I'm happy about it and will go back to my normal habits. Used to love a mooch round the shops with a bit of an impulse buy, but stopping that is the new normal for me.

TheGreatWave · 21/07/2020 23:43

Tbf this attitude is prevalent on any mask thread on MN. I am not sure it is misogyny or gaslighting, more people incredibly hard of thinking and struggling to accept that some people would rather avoid the shops then wear a mask.

The comments on Twitter are exactly the same as on the boards here. It is tiresome and I am fed up of trying to simply explain that I will wear a mask but I will avoid situations if possible where I need to.

ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble · 21/07/2020 23:47

I'm similar tbh. Not a big fan of masks, no medical reason or need. And while I have them and I'm willing to use them they're more of a "just in case" as I've avoided so far places where I might need to wear one.

Collidascope · 22/07/2020 05:53

He's disingenuous and aggressive, as usual. Pretending to be surprised that she will shop less because it's uncomfortable, and making out that that makes her selfish. News flash, Jaime. Humans are pretty selfish. Going to John Lewis and spending a few hundred pounds on non-essentials was never about being selfless, was it? You could just as easily accuse her of selfishness for frittering rather than donating to charity.
And the thing about going there 6 times for 20 minutes? Jesus, can you imagine being married to this guy if that's the standard of his argument, and you have the audacity to disagree with him on something? Poor wife.

Datun · 22/07/2020 06:15

Isn't this the twit who criticised Posie Parker with 'Why would you be uncomfortable with me in the changing room next to you? What on Earth do you think I'll do???"

Followed with "Of course I wouldn't send my daughters into the men's changing room."

And ended by soothing a transwoman with "In know you don't want to be in the mens, I quite understand".

Ugh.

PumbaasCucumbas · 22/07/2020 08:27

Lots of horrible misogynistic comments and ‘karens’ in that thread along with the COVID hyperbole.

I do feel sorry for the caller herself, I do wonder how aware a (?middle aged) John Lewis shopper who doesn’t shop online, who phones in to a radio show in good faith, knew she’d end up being trolled and bullied by randoms on Twitter.

I’d be mortified if something like that happened to my mum for example (it’s the sort of opinion she might have).

ThatsHowWeRowl · 22/07/2020 09:10

That headline totally doesn't reflect what this woman was saying and she was making a totally valid point which he massively twisted.

I also fucking hate the way that JOB makes those faux 'puzzled' faces and head in hands, when someone says something he disagrees with, as if what they have just said is so totally outrageous it's unbelievable, when actually it's fairly reasonable. He does this all the time, seemingly to add weight to his own viewpoint and its absolutely pathetic.

RufustheRowlingReindeer · 22/07/2020 09:15

Its the drip drip drip of ridiculous little men that causes problems

Bloke does sound like a plonker....

ThatsHowWeRowl · 22/07/2020 09:17

Argh, just watched it again - right from the start, he is screwing up his face as if he cannot understand what she is saying at all. He literally doesn't have a neutral face on him, as if he is actually listening and thinking, for any of it. He knows he is being filmed and it will be going on social media.

I wonder if that's what he does with his wife at home - when she starts talking, he starts pulling that face as if she is being soooooo ridiculous? It is gaslighting actually isn't it?

ThatsHowWeRowl · 22/07/2020 09:21

And what she is saying is totally true - rightly or wrongly, once you have to wear masks in shops, people are going to be far less inclined to just go in for a browse, they are going to get their essentials and go. And yes, meanwhile the men get to go to their pubs and golf clubs without wearing one.