Posie Parker at Speaker's Corner earlier today

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Enjoy. Ovaries of steel, this woman.

Oh sorry I missed where Posie has said that- so didn't have the context! It's on the thread? I don't usually watch videos tbh.

The idea of formidable middle or upper class women is mainstream isn't it? I can think of loads of the top of my head going years back! Definitely not all likeable characters but there's been loads!

Do I need to watch something to find out why she felt the need to challenge that stereotype- in response to someone I assume?!

Don't suppose there's any chance of couple of lines as a precis?

Oh sorry, the thread had moved on. I hadn't refreshed. I thought we were still talking about her and her hair!

Datun I thought you were here at same time as her? She was posting before all this really kicked off. She was always clear she was not a feminist. And the very long arguments I remember, and my general recollection of the time, is that her views on a lot of things were not aligned with most on fwr, to say the least!

I don't think I was. I came in when she was close to a final warning. She'd already been suspended a couple of times.

I just remember her coming out and saying quite vociferously that she wasn't a feminist. Her and Venice. She may very well have said it before, but I wasn't aware of it.

Oh sorry I missed the quote from her that was right there!

Apologies.

It's the 2d women thing I mentioned upthread.

Even with loads of evidence to the contrary, pigeon holing women is popular.

I'm guessing Bindel's problem with Posie is the latter's association with The American Conservative magazine?

Isn’t Bindel regularly published in the American Spectator?

Ugh, I think JB does amazing work but I’ve lost a good bit of respect for her, after lowering herself to voluntarily communicate with Sally Hines

With anyone you can feel positive or otherwise about them, and agree with some views and not others.

They're just people.

Feminists are pretty awful for infighting, splitting into smaller groups, purity politics. Same as loads of other left type political movements.

Branleuse you really are mistaken, I can categorically state, K-J has never voted Tory. To others, who see her appearance as further evidence of her being some kind of Stepford 1950s housewife, she is as far removed from this lazy stereotype as she could be. She has one goal & is unashamedly solely focussed on getting the message out to as many she can. Politically homeless, she remains firm on the fundamental truth that women are adult human females. The rest is just drama & noise.
She is flawed, of course, but is passionate, brave & determined. She is my sister.

@pumyin No one has said she is a 1950s stepford wife. Why accuse people of things they have not said?
She is not politically homeless. She supports Trump and is clearly right-wing in her views.

Posie is unapologetically pro the rights of women and girls.

Her campaign is a single issue campaign to protect and elevate women and girls.

Other single issue campaigns and campaigners do not get a fraction of the shit thrown at women's rights campaigners.

It is always and only women's rights campaigners and campaigns who are expected to absorb and prioritise other (separate and overlapping) campaigns.

The right wing bollocks is a red herring.

Could someone share a link showing Posie supporting Trump? I wasn't aware she's a Trump supporter.

Pumyin
Please tell Posie this American appreciated her interrupting the meeting in the Capitol building. That transwomen was meeting with Joseph Kennedy. He wanted to be my senator. (he lost) Sunlight!

@ViperAtTheGatesOfDawn what other campaigns is Posie expected to incorporate?

astery

Have you got a link showing Posie supporting Trump?

[quote astery]@ViperAtTheGatesOfDawn what other campaigns is Posie expected to incorporate?[/quote]
Please don't @ me, I'm already on the thread.

Why does it so often come back to discussions about wider political views?

Thinking her campaigning on this issue is good does not mean you have to agree with her on everything.

It's not like she's a politician where supporting because of X view needs to be thought about if their other views are ones you disagree with.

tallwhitepine It was in one of the talks she recorded and published. I do not know which one.
Wider political views matter. They explain the context. There are plenty of Christian fundamentalists who are against commercial surrogacy. That does not mean I would look to them for views or campaigns against commercial surrogacy.
And nobody is expecting Posie to take on other campaigns. They do expect her not to work with or support the extreme right-wing and not to be racist. Both things she struggles with.

I don't really understand why people think she's right wing, that doesn't seem to line up with her politics nor does it line up with her voting history.

I think she's somewhere in the moderate left, with a few ideas that don't quite fit anywhere - which is true for the vast majority of people.

The way Trump is used as some kind of definer of what is good and evil is completely bizarre. It's to the point that many people seem to oppose ideas just because he seemed to support them, or his administration did.

What politics does she have that suggest she is a moderate?
Have you listened to her talks and interviews?

But she's not a politician or anything. She has no power.

What are you proposing? I'm not sure. That people should stop talking about her on MN or what?

And tbh if fundamentalist Christian types are against surrogacy in America what does that have to do with me?

If they can get heard about it and get some changes then ok. That's fine. Why not? The other option is USA women who agree about surrogacy but for very different reasons fight each other and denounce each other? Well that will be productive!

Let them do their thing. And then when they say right abortion say nope and fight them all the way.

What are you saying you want women on here to actually do, re Posey?

I have a feeling I've met her ages ago.

I was arguing with her on here for years!

I don't get what you are suggesting?

Have you never had the experience of agreeing with a person on some things but not others?

And why why why do we keep having to talk about USA stuff? We're a massively different country and culture. Better to talk about stuff that has relevance here surely?

I am not saying women here should do anything. But if you are happy to support a white women who is racist and right-wing just because she understands biological sex, that is up to you.

@astery

What politics does she have that suggest she is a moderate? Have you listened to her talks and interviews?

Yes, she's a pretty classic political moderate.

I am really struggling to see where you think she isn't, she's not a marxist, even one with a light touch, or an extreme member of a weird religion, or a libertarian, either economically or socially, or a fascist nationalist, or any other kind of far out political position.

In what way am I supporting her?!! Have you even read my posts? If arguing like mad for hours is supporting that's a new one on me

It's really boring this.

It seems to happen all the time.

I find it interesting though that-

Half the time we're supposed to be right wing conservative types who are also racist homophobic etc

The other half of the time we're supposed to utterly oppose prior people like that and drop everything and run away at posts like yours.

And in the end I, and I suspect lots of others, just find it tedious.

And why people who have never met her spend so much energy discussing her politics!

Mock do you know no one in real life that you like or love but strongly disagree with some of their views?