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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Woman accessed child abuse images from hospital bed

116 replies

KayakingOnDown · 17/07/2020 18:39

Haven't seen a thread on this.

Julie Marshall looked at some of her 80,000 child abuse images while recovering from a heart attack. Presumably on a women's or mixed ward.

Julie Marshall admitted three counts of making indecent images of children. 677 of the images downloaded were of the category A, most serious, type.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-lancashire-53410019?__twitter_impression=true

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HopeClearwater · 17/07/2020 19:32

‘Telling the truth is more important than being nice’ says Kirkup.

Yes. Truth trumps ‘Be Kind’.

Thateverlastingyes77 · 17/07/2020 19:32

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DrinkFeckArseGirls · 17/07/2020 19:33

And Lanc Live can do one too.

OhHolyJesus · 17/07/2020 19:33

You see now how is it that cases like this aren't the exact argument for trans people to say that Self ID is wrong. Why would the want to be in the same camp as this paedophile? Shouldn't they want to have the medical reports and the panel assess their GRC applications to ensure they are not like this paedophile?

They are not the same but they are on the same side. They should want to mark the difference between them.

lafemme · 17/07/2020 19:37

Completely unacceptable.

Why are the press being forced to adhere to someone else's delusion?

A man committed the crime and this is how it should be reported and recorded.

ThePurported · 17/07/2020 19:45

This piece by James Kirkup is worth reading. It's two years old, but nothing seems to have changed at the BBC
www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-the-bbc-scared-of-the-transgender-debate-15-august-2018

KayakingOnDown · 17/07/2020 19:46

I wonder why Julie would choose to identify as a woman shortly after being convicted of paedophilia?

Surely it wouldn't be so Julie can go to a women's prison?

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KayakingOnDown · 17/07/2020 19:47

Oh, silly me, forget it: that would never happen.

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acatcalledjohn · 17/07/2020 19:53

He.

OliveKitteridgeAgain · 17/07/2020 19:56

Presumably, Lynne Featherstone will vocally challenge any move to put this man in a woman's prison, following her assertion that transwomen don't commit these sorts of crimes.

OliveKitteridgeAgain · 17/07/2020 19:57

*women's

BaronessSnippyPantsofCroneArmy · 17/07/2020 20:00

IIRC there are no sex offender rehabilitation programmes for women, so identifying as a woman also means they avoid attending these programmes.

Can anyone confirm? I recall reading it in connection to another paedophile case.

MistyMinge2 · 17/07/2020 20:02

I hope this vile piece of shit has another heart attack very soon, a long painful one with no help on hand. I also hope HE ends up in a men's prison and suffers horribly before HIS heart attack.

deathswiftlyfollows · 17/07/2020 20:05

If recorded in court as a male surely this will go down as a male crime-I'd be sickens if this was recorded as a female crime!

wellbehavedwomen · 17/07/2020 20:11

A Spectator article states that this was recorded as a male crime - the police in the area don't record on self ID, as many do.

Of course, that leads to the next question: why the BBC are reporting a male sex offender as a woman, when that has no legal standing, and doing so is arguably misleading the public. Women commit such offences massively, massively less than men do, and were this in fact a woman it would be a far bigger story.

They're a public service broadcaster. They're not meant to mislead.

Pudmyboy · 17/07/2020 20:18

The Spectator article seemed to say it would be recorded as a male crime, thankfully, and I liked that the Lancashire Post gives the most accurate description first: 'Pervert'!

Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel · 17/07/2020 20:18

A shame HE didn't die of said heart attack. Maybe next time fingers crossed . HE is a revolting pedophile. Seahorses are not horses.

Pudmyboy · 17/07/2020 20:21

(I mean UncleShady's Spectator article from first page)

thehumanformerlyknownasfemale · 17/07/2020 20:25

Women eh? What will they get up to next- amirite??!!

I know! Hark at all these nasty, unkind women moaning about men invading their spaces, when they're getting just as bad as the men they're moaning about. Tut tut.

That's where this is going to go. I'd bet my fucking money on it.

ThePurported · 17/07/2020 20:33

Why would the want to be in the same camp as this paedophile? Shouldn't they want to have the medical reports and the panel assess their GRC applications to ensure they are not like this paedophile?

I don't think paedophiles are automatically disqualified?
There was the case of that prisoner who sued the govt when he was denied surgery (and GRC, as I understand it). You can read the judgment here
www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2019/3565.html

The doctors' comments are... interesting.

"Dr Barrett wrote:
"In terms of assessment, it was always difficult to assess prisoners particularly those with sexual offences as there are a variety of motivations behind seeking a social change of gender role in prison, quite apart from the straightforward one of a gender identity disorder. In this case this patient clearly has paraphilia as well and the connection between this and the gender identity disorder, although strongly made by the patient, it isn't something which is seen in the majority of other patients, certainly not in terms of convictions or by their report. I think that this patient is keen for things to move forward but I wouldn't wish to do so until we have had, certainly our customary second part of our usual two-part assessment, but probably also a panel meeting as well as seems usually to be the case with patients who are in prison."
In September 2012 the Claimant saw Dr Stewart Lorimer, Consultant Psychiatrist at the Clinic specialising in the treatment of gender dysphoria. Following that consultation Dr Lorimer wrote on 24 September 2012:
"I reflected that it was not unheard of for male to female transitioners to have masochistic fantasies, but that they tended to involve imagining themselves as adult females rather than children. [The Claimant] found it difficult to say for sure why his sexual fantasies were different."
Dr Lorimer expressed his opinion in the following terms:
"On the basis of this assessment of the previous correspondence available to me, I would agree that there is perhaps an element of gender dysphoria in [the Claimant's] account of growing up and identifying with female peers. He also maintains the cross-dressing did not include an erotic component. As my colleague Dr Barrett points out however, paraphilia seems also to be present, and I think it is by no means straightforward teasing out the gender identity factors from a sort of fetishization of pre-teen girlhood and a degree of sexual masochism."
For reasons that are not entirely clear the Claimant's case was not further considered until she was seen again by Dr Lorimer at the Clinic on 2 April 2015. The Claimant told Dr Lorimer that she would like to start hormone treatment. In his letter dated 7 May 2015 Dr Lorimer wrote:
"I'm weakly supportive of [the Claimant] starting on hormones but I would wish to have the support of my colleagues, including perhaps one further opinion."
Dr Lorimer copied his letter to Dr Barrett.
On 17 August 2015 Dr Barrett saw the Claimant. In a letter dated 2 October 2015 Dr Barrett wrote:
"... This patient next has a parole review in 2017 having had one in January this year and interestingly reports that she wasn't requesting release or a move to a category D prison as she has a considerable amount of anxiety about being released from prison and in some senses feels that she is at least in a stable circumstance where she is at the moment.
… From our point of view the thing that matters most now is whether this patient can sustain a female role in an environment other than prison."

The main concern was whether this paedophile could 'sustain a female role', whatever that means!

bumblenbean · 17/07/2020 20:33

Utterly absurd. It doesn’t even specify that ‘she’ was born male, a rather crucial piece of information.

Not that anyone with functioning eyesight would mistake that vile specimen for a woman ...

As someone else suggested, this is not only an insult to women but surely also to genuine trans women who would not want to be in any way associated with this kind of hiding behind a female identity.

The headline seems rather click- baity to me. Why not ‘paedophile accessed images from hospital bed...?’ Why state woman?

cosycatsocks · 17/07/2020 20:53

It is not kind to lie. Kindness does not mean avoid hurting anyones (mens) feelings at all costs.

The BBC remains deeply misogynistic. You would think they'd be a bit more careful after the pay scandal exposed their institutional sexism.

StealthPolarBear · 17/07/2020 20:57

What a sickening crime.
When they say she made images as well what do they mean?

Justhadathought · 17/07/2020 20:59

Julie Marshall

Woman accessed child abuse images from hospital bed
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