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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The CQC - Really???????

28 replies

Greenandcabbagelooking · 17/07/2020 15:15

The Care Quality Commission have posted this caption on a set of images on their FB page.

"AFAB/AMAB - If you’re new to LGBT+ spaces online, the acronyms AFAB or AMAB may be unfamiliar. They are most frequently used as a shorthand to designate a gender assigned at birth. The terms are used by a wide range of individuals, including those who are trans, non-binary, or intersex. While AFAB or AMAB may be useful for describing different trans or non-binary experiences (like whether or not someone experiences/has experienced male privilege), they are generally not considered identities in and of themselves. Calling a transman “AFAB,” for example, erases his identity as man. Instead, use a person’s requested pronouns and self-description."

FFS. No one is assigned a gender at birth. The sex is observed.
Shouldn't the CQC be worrying about coronavirus in care homes, or the number of HCPs dying, or basically anything else bar this.

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Apollo440 · 17/07/2020 15:17

Fuckwittery everywhere.

nocoolnamesleft · 17/07/2020 15:18

My experience of CQC is that they can't even reliably count past 3.

fascinated · 17/07/2020 15:22

You really do wonder how underworked some of the staff of these outfits must be to be worrying about this shit...as you say, surely they have more important things to be worrying about than this...? It’s a dereliction of their actual duty.

OldCrone · 17/07/2020 15:32

Full set of images here:
www.facebook.com/media/set/?vanity=CareQualityCommission&set=a.10158338763662209

It includes this:
Gender Expression: How a person outwardly expresses their gender in a way which matches how society expects that gender to present. For example, a person with long hair wearing makeup and a flowery dress could be said to have a female gender expression. (See Passing)

So at least they are being clear that this whole movement is based on regressive sex stereotypes and they want to take us all back to the 1950s, or perhaps the Victorian era.

Greenandcabbagelooking · 17/07/2020 15:38

"person with long hair wearing makeup and a flowery dress could be said to have a female gender expression"

I've got long hair, but I'm currently wearing a polo shirt and shorts, with no makeup. What is my gender expression?

Oh, hang on, my glasses are flowery, does that make me a woman?

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NearlyGranny · 17/07/2020 15:56

Many expectant parents these days know the sex of their baby halfway through pregnancy, as the routine 20 week 'anomaly' scan also allows the operator to see - or not see - a tiny penis. I think you have to alert them if you don't want to know!

So sex is hardly 'assigned' at birth. You could more accurately say it was observed or confirmed. You'd need a DNA test to be certain, of course, but it's mostly pretty unmistakable. At birth, my son was passed over my head to my husband to hold (I had to focus on delivering his twin sister) and I swear his scrotum looked the same size as his head. I was in no doubt!

IloveJKRowling · 17/07/2020 16:04

Fetal anomaly tests (harmony) can tell the sex of the baby at around 11 weeks. I had one for DD2, so I knew, genetically, she was XX from that point in the pregnancy. Scientific fact.

I would agree that the CQC really should be spending their time doing other things than this and that wasting time on this is a dereliction of duty in the middle of a pandemic when people in care homes are dying at an alarming rate.

Anonymum263 · 17/07/2020 16:12

@OldCrone that is shocking. So backwards.

pearlypidge · 17/07/2020 16:18

ILoveJK sex can be determined even earlier than that now - a blood test at around 8 weeks pregnant can tell you the sex of the foetus (unless it's a multiple pregnancy).

So AFAB/AMAB is an even bigger load of bollocks than you were thinking!

IloveJKRowling · 17/07/2020 16:30

pearly - wow - science is amazing! Even when I had mine done I was astounded at the science behind it, and how early it could be done.

Having said that, I couldn't possibly think AFAB/AMAB is a bigger load of bollocks as I already thought it was 100% bollocks... Grin

NearlyGranny · 17/07/2020 17:01

Pity Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn weren't 'woke' back in 1533, or their story could have ended very differently.

What I don't get though, is how did they KNOW the baby was female? Who did the assigning? How could they be so sure? Why didn't they just go the AMAB route and make everyone happy?

NearlyGranny · 17/07/2020 17:03

Silly old Tudors! (Shakes head sadly but fondly.)

HipTightOnions · 17/07/2020 17:05

Missing definitions: gender, man, woman.

As always.

RedToothBrush · 17/07/2020 19:32

The CQC make the Charities Commission look good.

DrDavidBanner · 17/07/2020 20:05

@nocoolnamesleft

My experience of CQC is that they can't even reliably count past 3.
Me too, I only worked as admin in adult social care for a few years but some of the things I heard they let pass was scary.

Worrying if someone with long hair identifies as male or female is the least of their problems.

BovaryX · 17/07/2020 21:22

They are most frequently used as a shorthand to designate a gender assigned at birth. The terms are used by a wide range of individuals

It's interesting, isn't it? So much of the contemporary culture wars are semantic. What is language? Is it a medium of communication? With clear definitions for common words? Or is it a landmine? One effect of this current linguistic deconstruction is to create a state of constant linguistic anxiety. Why? What's the aim? Is this tactical? Is rational, coherent debate impossible? In the era of Twitter slogans?

FedUpAtHomeTroels · 17/07/2020 21:48

A medical organization who thinks gender is assigned at birth.
No wonder we are in a mess.

pearlypidge · 17/07/2020 22:34

ILoveJKR - yes, the 8 week blood test is really Shock when you think about it.

They way it was explained to me was that there are fragments of the babys's DNA floating around in the mother's blood.

So they look for some Y chromosomes in the mother's blood.

If present - it's a boy. If not - it's a girl. (Hence why it doesn't really work for multiple pregnancies, because you could be carrying some of both sexes).

And none of that would work without, you know, actual biology, being determined at conception. AFAB/AMAB my arse.

fascinated · 17/07/2020 22:58

@RedToothBrush

The CQC make the Charities Commission look good.
All the public money that is wasted on these „regulators“ — it’s chocolate teapot territory . Pure windowdressing. Yes, I’m a cynic. It’s depressing.
Ladyface · 17/07/2020 23:18

I work in care and I wondered what they have been up to as at the start of the pandemic there was zero guidance about anything. No help with what to do about PPE, how to do training, inductions, supervisions and assessments safely or what to do if key staff are ill or shielding. We got radio silence from them. They have been focusing on this bullshit instead. Fucking disgrace given what has happened in care homes.

Greenandcabbagelooking · 18/07/2020 07:24

I used to look at IVF embryos and carry out PGD on them. You can tell the sex at 3 days post-fertilisation. And it’s not because boy e,bros wear blue and are playing with trucks!

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IloveJKRowling · 18/07/2020 09:07

Green how fascinating.

It's quite depressing that science is so advanced in so many fields, including embryology, and yet we have organisations such as the CQC spouting utter word salad anti-science nonsense.

FedUpAtHomeTroels · 18/07/2020 12:25

@Ladyface Don't worry they'll be back once this is over passing judgement about what we should have all done differently and whether you made sure to write everything down the way they like, while working short staffed with a building full of covid patients.
Funnily, at work us nurses were in the office in April and someone said where are CQC in all this, if they know so much they should roll up their sleeves and come help.

Ladyface · 18/07/2020 14:27

All we got was an email saying they were working from home and our inspection was cancelled. It was like they’d pulled down the shutters and gone, leaving us to it.

EmpressLangClegSpartacus · 18/07/2020 14:32

How a person outwardly expresses their gender in a way which matches how society expects that gender to present.

Riiiiight. So me in my jeans, comfy trainers & Grade 1 haircut must be a bloke. How progressive.