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Munroe Bergdorf lands big book deal with Bloomsbury

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TornadoOfSouls · 17/07/2020 07:04

Reported rather breathlessly in the Graun

www.theguardian.com/books/2020/jul/17/munroe-bergdorf-receives-landmark-book-deal-for-trans-manifesto

Among other things she’s going to tell us all that the experience being a ‘ciswoman’ has changed over the years. Hmm

‘my intelligence has been undermined, and I’ve been underestimated a lot in a lot of different instances.’

Sounds a bit Dunning-Kruger to me, to be honest.

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ThePurported · 17/07/2020 10:04

"I've gone into the depths of where gender came from, because it hasn't always existed in [the way] we think about gender today," said Bergdorf. "What it's like to be a cisgender woman today is not what it was in the middle ages, or the 1950s, or even the 1980s."

No woman would have identified as 'cis' in the 1980s. This BS hadn't been invented, although Janice Raymond predicted it - with frightening accuracy - in Transsexual Empire.

TornadoOfSouls · 17/07/2020 10:17

Thanks Collidascope for the link.

The scope of this book seems ambitious, to put it mildly. One might say hubristic. And it kind of comes across as though MB hasn’t actually ever read anything about women in history or even about gender, power, race and all that stuff. They think we need men to tell us about being women. It’s staggering!

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ContentiousOne · 17/07/2020 10:21

Imagine having the sheer gall to assert - in a book no less - that you, as a transwomen, know all about biological womanhood. It's nonsense. Very stereotypically male.

AbsintheFriends · 17/07/2020 10:39

The couple of sentences from MB in summary of the book are barely articulate. It doesn't bode well for the readability of the rest of it. (Though I'd bet my last rolo some underpaid woman of the ordinary unstunning variety will actually be doing the behind the scenes unglamorous shitwork of writing it.)

I think BLM made publishers aware that they need to get ahead in the diversity stakes. In the last month it's been great to see big new deals coming through for black women authors writing books that sound brilliant - a change for the better. However, I believe Bloomsbury have made a big miscalculation here. Anyone who actually wants an insight into MB's world can amply fill their boots on social media. I seriously doubt people will pay for that content. I look forward to flicking through the inevitable photo section when the hardback appears on a piled-high table in The Works.

Clymene · 17/07/2020 10:43

Well that's a book I expect to see piled up in the 99p stand at The Works.

Time to share this excellent article by Susan Dalgety I feel: www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/why-feminists-me-stand-jk-rowling-trans-rights-row-susan-dalgety-2910085

QuarantineDream · 17/07/2020 10:55

@ContentiousOne

Imagine having the sheer gall to assert - in a book no less - that you, as a transwomen, know all about biological womanhood. It's nonsense. Very stereotypically male.
This 10000%

I think we should all demand sensitivity readers for this book.

NotBadConsidering · 17/07/2020 10:56

If Bergdorf has been advanced a 6 figure sum, how many books need to sell in order to make a profit for anyone? Does anyone know how book profits work?

For cross reference, JK Rowling has sold more than 500 million books 😉.

nauticant · 17/07/2020 11:10

I was wondering just the same NotBadConsidering.

Assuming this will have the sales we expect, it will lose Bloomsbury money. If that's true, it means they're hoping to extract value in some other way. I wonder what that other way is.

JellySlice · 17/07/2020 11:11

Change? What change? Has women's biology changed over the centuries? Has the burden of child-bearing changed over the centuries? Has the physical reality of rape changed over the centuries? Has the imposition of patriarchal control changed over the centuries?

Ignorant, arrogant nincompoop.

HaveaStock · 17/07/2020 11:33

Oh Wow. Judging by the way Munroe writes (I seldom can get through a sentence without having to go back and reread it because it sounds slightly ‘off’ or ungrammatical) THERES GOING TO BE A LOT OF PICTURES IN IT Grin

HaveaStock · 17/07/2020 11:37

Trish Goddard has put in her order already... (Munroe ALWAYS makes sure we can see Trish’s gushing comments on her Instagram)

FloralBunting · 17/07/2020 11:43

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Munroe Bergdorf lands big book deal with Bloomsbury
vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 17/07/2020 11:44

Munroe's got a six figure advance, NotBad?

Interestingly, Hodder and Stoughton gave Shon Faye a massive advance for their missive on trans history - I've never seen it published yet.

Advances are given as a sort of loan against sales. So, if you get a big advance you have to sell a lot of books before you'll start getting royalties.

Munro can't even write a tweet with good grammar...

HaveaStock · 17/07/2020 11:45

This would make the perfect cover, no? Yes, such a positive role model. Wear your scold’s bridle with pride Womxn!

Munroe Bergdorf lands big book deal with Bloomsbury
AnyOldPrion · 17/07/2020 11:48

I’m struggling to understand the market for this book.

Suspect it might be the same market that bought Pippa Middleton’s Party book.

You know what’s most frustrating? This is going to be a stupendous flop. But the publishing industry is so far up its own arse that they have no idea.

And then struggling authors, who are on the verge of breaking through will have their advances cut even smaller and more of them will be pushed out when their first book doesn’t sell quite enough copies.

This kind of misguided ‘celebrity‘ advance is one of the things that is causing smaller scale writers to be pushed out. It makes me want to scream.

NotBadConsidering · 17/07/2020 12:22

Munroe's got a six figure advance, NotBad?

That’s what the article says, after a bidding war with 11 publishers. That’s what Bergdorf says anyway...

Did anyone ever read the take down of 50 Shades of Grey by a blogger called Red Lemonade? I vote for her to read it so we don’t have to because that was an epic analysis.

HaveaStock · 17/07/2020 12:31

Oh God Yes! Red Lemonade. Jeez I remember posting a link to that on here - 8 years ago - aaaarggh! Just went back and read a bit. Hilarious. Yes definitely would read that. Almost looking forward to the book coming out now.

NotBadConsidering · 17/07/2020 12:39

Well you can pre-order it on Amazon. It’s 17 quid. Will be following sales and content with interest. A whole year away. The suspense...

HaveaStock · 17/07/2020 12:47

Actually it was Cassandra Parkin’s hilarious takedown of 50 Shades I was thinking of... off topic, sorry!

AbsintheFriends · 17/07/2020 12:53

Here's the write up in The Bookseller.

Bloomsbury signs Bergdorf for six figures after 11-way auction
Published July 17, 2020 by Ruth Comerford
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Bloomsbury has won an 11-way auction to publish the first book by model, activist and writer Munroe Bergdorf.

Associate publisher Alexis Kirschbaum acquired UK and Commonwealth rights, and translation rights, to Transitional, in a six-figure deal from Abigail Bergstrom at Gleam Titles.

Kirschbaum said: "What an inspiring woman Munroe Bergdorf is. Transitional will be an affective and insightful guide to how to integrate personal authenticity and the realities of the modern world. It promises to be a book of rare wisdom about the difficulties and possibilities embodied in the choices of the 21st century identity. Munroe has a point of view that is exceptionally wise and humane, and the life experience to back it up."

The book will draw on Bergdorf’s own experience, as well as research from experts and activists, to "explore how deeply ingrained transitioning is" in human experience. Transitional will interrogate six topics, including adolescence, sexuality, gender, relationships, identity and race, and explore the act of transitioning as something "we all face in every phase of life".

Bergdorf has spoken on international panels and contributed to publications including the Guardian, Evening Standard, Grazia, i-D, British Vogue, Elle, Teen Vogue and Paper Magazine. In 2019, she was awarded an honorary doctorate for her contributions campaigning for transgender rights by the University of Brighton, and was recently appointed a National Advocate for UN Women UK. Her first film, "What Makes a Woman", premiered on Channel 4 in 2018.

Bergdorf said: "I’m so excited to be welcomed into the Bloomsbury Publishing family. This is a tough time for trans people living in the UK and around the world, so it means so much to be working on my first book with the largest independent publishing house in the country. By sharing my lived experience as a black trans woman, I hope that this book will serve to open more minds, start important conversations and help to educate all kinds of people in a way that brings us closer to a global consciousness—especially during this time of division."

Bloomsbury will publish the work in 2021.

Lots to unpick there, I think. One of the things that leaps out at me is the sentence I hope that this book will serve to open more minds, start important conversations and help to educate all kinds of people in a way that brings us closer to a global consciousness I predict much PR in the run-up to publication - interviews etc, which, given MB's rather - ahem - abrasive personality and robust views about what women are and are not allowed to talk about, is very likely to open eyes, as well as minds. (Just not in the way MB is envisaging.)

Datun · 17/07/2020 12:55

Presumably MB will have to do a lot of research. You never know, they might genuinely learn something.

It's quite hard to read about the historical and relentless oppression of women, without developing some form of understanding of why and how it happens.

AbsintheFriends · 17/07/2020 12:57

Also It promises to be a book of rare wisdom about the difficulties and possibilities embodied in the choices of the 21st century identity

How have we all managed thus far without this 'rare wisdom"?

Datun · 17/07/2020 12:58

And perhaps Bloomsbury are being smart, here so they can't be accused of bias.

I predict 2/3 of the book will be about how horrible everyone has been to MB all their life.

#BeKind.

AnyOldPrion · 17/07/2020 12:58

2021 eh?

So who’s betting the bubble will have burst by then?

Also:
It promises to be a book of rare wisdom about the difficulties and possibilities embodied in the choices of the 21st century identity.

Rare wisdom? Hmm

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 17/07/2020 12:59

MB has an honorary doctorate? Wow.

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