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House of Commons Library Gender recognition and the rights of transgender people 16/07/2020

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/07/2020 12:55

Probably of interest....

commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8969/

I've not read it at all yet, but wanted to flag up

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/07/2020 12:57

This Commons Library briefing paper considers the current law relating to gender recognition; the medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria; the current protections from discrimination, including in schools; consultations by the UK Government and the Scottish Government on reform of the Gender Recognition Act 2004; and the "self-identification" debate

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NonnyMouse1337 · 16/07/2020 13:08

Good find!

happydappy2 · 16/07/2020 13:44

I find it disturbing politicians are so blinkered on this issue. People cannot change sex, a man who wears stereotypically female clothing is still a man and should be treated as such.

wellbehavedwomen · 16/07/2020 13:46

Thank you for locating that. It's clear and seeks to be even-handed, at least. Bless David Davis.

The articles at the end are really, really interesting reading.

Julian Norman, barrister:

Where women are in prison, in refuge, or in shelters, female only space may be vital to their rehabilitation or recovery. No statistics can capture the discomfort of women in being expected to endorse a belief that woman is a perception and not a reality.

Many people believe that they have an innate gender identity, fixed and immutable, and that a person is a man or a woman depending on that person’s self-perception rather than on their biological sex. Many others believe equally firmly that they do not have such an innate gender identity, pointing to the temporal and cultural variations in gender, indicating that social projections of gender are neither innate nor immutable. They regard dysphoria as a medical condition for which transition may be an acceptable treatment, but they do not believe that womanhood or manhood is dictated by innate gender or by self-perception. If gender is innate, then the cultural norms attached to the female sex (which have historically served to oppress women) are not a bug, but a design feature. A philosophy which seeks to ascribe women’s subjugation globally and historically to something innate within them has never ended well for women.

In a nutshell.

OldCrone · 16/07/2020 13:53

I've just started reading it in the hope that someone will finally define 'gender identity' in a way that isn't either based on stereotypes or nonsensical. It's not looking likely, though:

From the first section on 'Transgender Identity':

Each of us is at birth assigned a sex (male or female), based on our physical characteristics.

First of all, we're not 'assigned a sex', our sex is observed based on our physical characteristics.

Most people’s gender identity (the gender with which they associate themselves) and gender presentation (how they outwardly show their gender) will not differ from that typically associated with their assigned sex.

What does it mean to associate oneself with a gender? Is that to do with liking the stereotypes for your sex? Gender presentation is also presumably based on stereotypes. I'm unsure why people not wanting to adhere to stereotypes should be the basis for legislation.

Trans people, however, have a gender identity which differs from that of their (assigned) birth sex. Trans identities take a wide diversity of forms.

Is a 'gender identity' which 'differs from' someone's sex viewed as abnormal or unexpected in some way? Is this not just a way of saying we should all adhere to the stereotypes for our sex?

Trans identity can be “non-binary” in character, located at a (fixed or variable) point along a continuum between male and female; or “non-gendered”, i.e. involving identification as neither male nor female.

Why on earth would someone need a 'gender identity' or a 'trans identity' in order not to adhere to stereotypes?

PennyNotSoWise · 16/07/2020 14:42

I hate the 'assigned a sex' phrase with a burning passion.

You telling me that if I gave birth to a baby, in the middle of nowhere with no doctor around, I'd be scratching my head wondering what I'd just given birth to until a doctor could come and assign it for me? Piss off.

And how do they assign it? A lucky dip? The word female written on 50 slips of paper, and 50 male slips in an old pillowcase? Have a good old ruffle before pulling out the answer. I hereby assign this baby... drumroll for tension... a female!

Load of bollocks. Utter, utter bollocks.

MrsNoah2020 · 16/07/2020 14:53

@PennyNotSoWise

I hate the 'assigned a sex' phrase with a burning passion.

You telling me that if I gave birth to a baby, in the middle of nowhere with no doctor around, I'd be scratching my head wondering what I'd just given birth to until a doctor could come and assign it for me? Piss off.

And how do they assign it? A lucky dip? The word female written on 50 slips of paper, and 50 male slips in an old pillowcase? Have a good old ruffle before pulling out the answer. I hereby assign this baby... drumroll for tension... a female!

Load of bollocks. Utter, utter bollocks.

Now you're being silly, Penny. In that scenario, you could just assign the sex yourself, depending on whether you have blue or pink baby clothes with you. Sex is, after all, fluid and a spectrum.
Broomfondle · 16/07/2020 15:28

I dislike that you either identify with your assigned gender or you don't. It's part of my many problems with 'cis'. I reject the concept entirely. I'm not 'not-cis' because I'm trans, I'm not-cis because it's bullshit.
I feel the same way about pronouns now being something everybody chooses and outs in email and all that jazz. I'm not 'she' because I identify with a female gender, I'm she because I'm female. By using she on the assumption pronouns = gender I'm saying I'm happy with an oppressive stereotype. Which I am most definitely not.

severnboring · 16/07/2020 16:56

Jumped out at me that Stonewall 'is' while Fair Play for Women 'describes itself as'...

BaronessSnippyPantsofCroneArmy · 16/07/2020 21:40

This document was removed for a couple of hours and has now been rereleased with massive edits (almost all references to children and schools removed).

transdimensional · 16/07/2020 21:56

Baroness, do you have copies of the before and after? Is it worth asking an MP to ask the Library whether they came under political pressure from lobby groups or others to modify or censor the document?

ThePurported · 16/07/2020 21:56

That's interesting Snippy. I wonder why it was edited. Did they accidentally publish an earlier draft?

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 16/07/2020 22:07

Following to remind slef to read later.

QuiteGood · 16/07/2020 22:10

Baroness could you elaborate more on the sections that have been removed?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/07/2020 22:14

@ThePurported

That's interesting Snippy. I wonder why it was edited. Did they accidentally publish an earlier draft?
That's a bit sinister...

I've attached the original contents page and the new version. I'll post the two texts from the "minors" chapter next.

House of Commons Library Gender recognition and the rights of transgender people 16/07/2020
House of Commons Library Gender recognition and the rights of transgender people 16/07/2020
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FOIrequester · 16/07/2020 22:16

I downloaded the original earlier. Section 5 about children was originally 7 pages long, and is now a single page.

In this era of the memory hole I have started downloading documents as soon as I see them and saving web pages.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/07/2020 22:18

Original "gender recognition and minors"

  1. Gender recognition and minors
5.1 Legal gender recognition not possible for minors Under the GRA, the minimum age limit for GRC applications is 18. In November 2018, the UK Government said it had no intention of changing this position: The issue of children is of concern outside the walls of this Chamber. We have no intention of lowering the age at which people may legally change their gender, namely the age of 18. We recognise the increase in referrals of children and adolescents to gender-identity services for people aged under 18, so we have committed to improve our understanding of the impacts on children and adolescents of changing their gender, and to gather evidence on the issues faced by people who were born female and who transition in adolescence. We are not the only country to witness and experience the increase, and we need to understand why it is happening.60 In June 2019, David Davies asked the Minister for Women and Equalities whether people under the age of 18 can transition gender through routes other than the GRA. Victoria Atkins replied: The only method of legally changing gender is through the process set out in the Gender Recognition Act 2004. This involves applying for a Gender Recognition Certificate, which can then be used to obtain a new birth certificate. This process is only open to those aged 18 and over. Medical transition is governed by the NHS, and surgery is not available to those under the age of 18. Cross-sex hormones can only be prescribed under strict clinical supervision from the age of 16. Social transition, such as changing the name you are known by, and the pronouns you use, can be done by anyone at any age, and is often subject to a discussion between a child and their parents if it happens before age 18.61 5.2 Provisions to support transgender children in schools Introduction In England, Wales and Scotland, the Equality Act 2010 and the associated Public Sector Equality Duty (PSED) prohibits discrimination against transgender children in all schools, regardless of how the school is funded or managed.62 The Equality Act 2010 does not apply in Northern Ireland. The UK Department for Education (DfE) defines the pupils protected under the 2010 Act:

Gender reassignment is defined in the Equality Act as applying to
anyone who is undergoing, has undergone or is proposing to
undergo a process (or part of a process) of reassigning their sex by
changing physiological or other attributes. This definition means
that in order to be protected under the Act, a pupil will not
necessarily have to be undertaking a medical procedure to change
their sex but must be taking steps to live in the opposite gender,
or proposing to do so.63
Reports on transgender pupils’ experience of
education
The charity Stonewall, working with Cambridge University, published
their School report in 2017, which surveyed the experiences of
transgender children in British schools. Included amongst its findings for
2016/17 were:
• Nearly two thirds (64%) of surveyed transgender pupils reported
being bullied for being LGBT;
• One in three transgender pupils (33%) were not able to be known
by their preferred name at school;
• Around three in five (58%) were not allowed to use the toilets
they felt comfortable in;
• Around three in five (61%) transgender pupils reported speaking
to a member of staff at school about being transgender, and of
these, nearly three in four (73%) said “staff have asked them
what would make them feel comfortable at school and
accommodated their wishes”.64
The UK Government conducted a National LGBT survey in 2017. The
survey found that of the transgender respondents who were
transitioning while at school, 36% said their school was “very” or
“somewhat” supportive of their specific needs.65 An associated data
viewer has been published, allowing users to break down survey results
further.
Stonewall has also published survey reports of the experiences of
transgender children in schools as School report Cymru and School
report Scotland.
The Northern Ireland Department of Education published research as
Post-primary school experiences of 16-21 year old people who are LGBT
in 2017. The Northern Ireland Executive previously published Grasping
the nettle: The experiences of gender variant children and transgender
youth living in Northern Ireland (2013).

The Equality Act 2010 in schools (England)
The Equality Act 2010 applies to all schools in England, in both the state
and independent sector. Responsible bodies of a school, such as a local
authority or governing body, are liable for breaches of the Act. Which
body is responsible in any situation is dependent on how responsibilities
are organised. For example, a local authority may be responsible for
admissions as the admissions authority, whilst the governing body may
be responsible for issues regarding exclusions.66
The DfE’s The Equality Act 2010 and schools (May 2014) provides non-
statutory guidance for all schools in England. It sets out a general
requirement for schools to advance equality of opportunity between
those who have a protected characteristic and those who do not share
it. The guidance says the 2010 Act makes it unlawful for the responsible
body of a school to discriminate against, harass or victimise a pupil or
potential pupil:
• in relation to admissions,
• in the way it provides education for pupils,
• in the way it provides pupils access to any benefit, facility or
service, or
• by excluding a pupil or subjecting them to any other detriment.67
The Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) has also published
Technical guidance for schools in England (2014) on the
Equality Act 2010. The EHRC told the Women and Equalities Committee
in 2015 that the Act:
Does not provide protection from harassment related to gender
reassignment for students in schools, unlike most other protected
characteristics; although such treatment by a school may amount
to direct discrimination.68
The DfE responded that “the lack of protection against harassment in
this regard is not significant, as the provisions on direct discrimination
provide adequate protection in a school setting”.69
Under the 2010 Act and the PSED, schools must annually publish details
on how they are complying with the PSED and at least every four years
update their equality objectives.70 In academies and maintained schools,
Ofsted have responsibility for ensuring schools fulfil their statutory
duties under the Act, assessing whether schools have effective

anti-bullying polices, and ensuring schools promote equality of
opportunity within an inclusive environment.71
The UK Government committed to publish an update to its guidance for
schools about how to apply the Equality Act 2010 in its 2018 LGBT
action plan.
72 The Government Equalities Office said in July 2019 that
the EHRC was also developing guidance for schools on supporting
transgender pupils.73 Elements of draft EHRC guidance were reported in
the press in September 2019.74
Guidance on specific policies (England)
The DfE has issued non-statutory guidance on Gender separation in
mixed schools (June 2018). The guidance intends to support all schools
in identifying what is expected of mixed schools where children are
separated by gender.
On the separation of pupils by any protected characteristic, the
guidance says schools must justify to Ofsted (if they are in the state
sector) and others the reasons for the separation, and:
Where a statutory exception is relied upon, they will be expected
to demonstrate that they have considered and documented why
the exception applies. Outside the specific statutory exceptions,
they should be in a position to demonstrate that separation does
not give rise to any detriment because its effect is negligible.75
Toilet facilities & changing rooms
As noted in the DfE blog, Gender identity in schools, it is “up to schools
to decide what facilities they provide, including whether to provide
unisex or gender neutral toilets”, as long as policies adhere to statutory
regulations and are inclusive.76
The DfE’s Advice on standards for school premises for both local
authority and academy schools and the School Premises Regulations
(England) 2012 state that separate toilet facilities for boys and girls aged
8 years or over must be provided, except where the toilet facility is
provided in a room that can be secured from the inside to ensure the
privacy of the occupant and is intended for use by one pupil at a time.77
The same advice says suitable changing accommodation and showers
must also be provided for pupils aged 11 years or over at the start of
the school year who receive physical education, although gender
considerations are not set out in this regulation.78

Sports
Section 195 of the Equality Act 2010 contains an exemption, which
allows for gender-separated sport. The section applies to participation in
a “gender-affected activity”. Referencing the Act, the DfE Guidance on
gender separation says that a “gender-affected activity” is:
A sport, game or other activity of a competitive nature in
circumstances where the physical strength, stamina or physique of
the average girl (or boy) would put her (or him) at a disadvantage
in competition with the average boy (or girl).79
The guidance says that events where pupils are separated by gender
should take account of the age and stage of development of the
children competing, stating that the exception in the 2010 Act is less
likely to apply to younger children:
The judgment on whether girls would be at a physical
disadvantage needs to take into account the particular group in
question, so it is much less likely to justify separation in relation to
sports for younger children. It is appropriate for schools to take
account of the age and stage of development of children who are
likely to be competitors in considering whether an activity is
gender-affected.80
School Uniforms
Schools are not required to have uniforms, or ones that differentiate
between genders (e.g. through the prescribed wearing of skirts or
trousers), though schools are “strongly encourage[d] to have a uniform”
by the DfE. The DfE’s non-statutory guidance on School uniform (2013)
says schools should consider their obligations to not discriminate
unlawfully or put “certain people at a particular disadvantage because
of their gender, race, sexual orientation, religion or belief or gender
reassignment”, by designing flexible policies “to allow for necessary
exceptions”.
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Devolved Polices
Wales
In addition to the Equality Act 2010, the UN convention on the Rights of
the Child (UNCRC) was adopted into Welsh law in 2011. The Children’s
Commissioner for Wales has published A children’s rights approach for
education in Wales, which details equality and non-discrimination in
schools.
The Welsh’s Government Transgender Action Plan (2016) cited
Transgender guidance issued for Wrexham schools as good practice for
Welsh schools when designing policies to support transgender pupils.82
NASUWT Cymru have also published guidance on Trans equality in
schools and colleges (2017).

Scotland
The Equality Act 2010 is in force in Scotland, and the EHRC has
published Technical guidance for schools in Scotland (2014) on the Act.
In 2019, draft guidance from the EHRC on Scotland was reported in the
press, but no further guidance for schools has been published.83
The Children and Young People (Scotland) Act 2014 places a duty on
the Scottish Government to take account of the UNCRC and children's
rights. Local authorities should also take steps to improve understanding
and realisation of these rights.
LGBT Youth Scotland published Supporting transgender young people:
Guidance for schools in Scotland in 2017 (updated January 2020). This
was endorsed by 15 local authorities and is available on Education
Scotland’s National Improvement Hub website.84 The Children’s
Commissioner for Scotland said the document should have only been
suggested as guidance for schools following a Children’s Rights Impact
Assessment.85 The Scottish Government said in 2019 that it is
“supportive of the guidance”, but had not formally endorsed it,86 and in
June 2019 committed to publishing updated guidance following an
Equality Impact Assessment and Children’s Rights Assessment.87
Scottish Government Ministers accepted in full 33 recommendations
from their LGBTI Inclusive Education Implementation Group in 2018.
These recommendations included embedding LGBTI teaching across the
curriculum, including in subjects beyond Relationships, sexual health
and parenthood education.88 The Scottish Government said the
recommendations would be implemented by March 2021.89
NASUWT Scotland have published guidance as Trans Equality in Schools
and Colleges (2017).
Northern Ireland
The Northern Ireland Education Authority published Supporting
Transgender Young People in October 2019. The non-statutory
guidance applies to pre-schools, primary schools, post-primary and
special schools, and provides advice for schools on a range of issues,
including school sports, toilets and changing facilities, bullying and
school uniforms.

On legal protections for transgender pupils, the guidance says (emphasis
in original):
4.2 [...] Unlike Great Britain, there is no legal protection from
discrimination for transgender pupils in education. Guidance from
the Equality Commission for Northern Ireland outlines that
although schools in Northern Ireland have a responsibility not to
discriminate against pupils on the protected grounds of sex,
sexual orientation, race or disability ‘the law does not apply to
age, religious belief and political opinion and gender reassignment
in schools’.90
The Education Authority says the European Convention on Human
Rights may offer relevant protections in respect to the right to freedom
from discrimination and the right to family and private life.91
In 2016, the Equality Commission for Northern Ireland recommended
changes to the law to strengthen protections for transgender children in
schools.92 Currently, the Commission recommends schools adopt a
“good practice” approach that:
Extends beyond the mere letter of the law to include pupils who
are disadvantaged because they are transgender, or because of
their religious belief and political opinion.93
Further guidance from the Northern Ireland Equality Commission is
available on their page: Equality law for schools. The NASUWT Teaching
Union have published Trans Equality in Schools and Colleges (2017) in
Northern Ireland.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/07/2020 22:19

New "gender recognition and minors"

  1. Gender recognition and minors
Under the GRA, the minimum age limit for GRC applications is 18. In November 2018, the UK Government said it had no intention of changing this position: The issue of children is of concern outside the walls of this Chamber. We have no intention of lowering the age at which people may legally change their gender, namely the age of 18. We recognise the increase in referrals of children and adolescents to gender-identity services for people aged under 18, so we have committed to improve our understanding of the impacts on children and adolescents of changing their gender, and to gather evidence on the issues faced by people who were born female and who transition in adolescence. We are not the only country to witness and experience the increase, and we need to understand why it is happening.60 In June 2019, David Davies asked the Minister for Women and Equalities whether people under the age of 18 can transition gender through routes other than the GRA. Victoria Atkins replied: The only method of legally changing gender is through the process set out in the Gender Recognition Act 2004. This involves applying for a Gender Recognition Certificate, which can then be used to obtain a new birth certificate. This process is only open to those aged 18 and over. Medical transition is governed by the NHS, and surgery is not available to those under the age of 18. Cross-sex hormones can only be prescribed under strict clinical supervision from the age of 16. Social transition, such as changing the name you are known by, and the pronouns you use, can be done by anyone at any age, and is often subject to a discussion between a child and their parents if it happens before age 18.
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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/07/2020 22:21

Apologies for the terrible c&Ps from the PDFs.

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FOIrequester · 16/07/2020 22:26

In the original version, under the section for Devolved Polices: Wales it says:

"The Welsh’s Government Transgender Action Plan (2016) cited Transgender guidance issued for Wrexham schools as good practice for Welsh schools when designing policies to support transgender pupils."

They provide a link to the now withdrawn Wrexham guidance for schools:
www.schools-out.org.uk/wp-content/files_mf/1470607662TransGenderGuidanceSchoolsFinal.pdf

And a link to the Transgender Action Plan for Wales (the one with the missing Equality Impact Assessment):
gov.wales/sites/default/files/publications/2019-09/ATISN%2013341%20%20-%20Doc%201.pdf

mejon · 16/07/2020 22:27

Interesting.... I emailed the address at the end of the document late this afternoon after noting that on page 4 (the original page 4!) that they cite that the Transgender Guides issued by both Cornwall and Wrexham County Councils are considered as examples of 'best practice'. I informed them that these Guides, along with many others had been withdrawn very recently. I received an automatic reply saying that the email would be dealt with within a week. Then a further email appeared saying it had been forwarded to the authors of the paper, then within 30 minutes or so, saying they were 'looking into the matter'.

I'm glad the information has been removed but surprised that it appeared in the first place - surely the news that these guides have been withdrawn by so many councils would have been flagged up somewhere?

mejon · 16/07/2020 22:29

Cross-posted with quicker posters!

I'm assuming I'm not the only one to contact them.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/07/2020 22:30

The Scottish section notes the LGBTYS guide too, without noting that it had been withdrawn after a lot of confusion.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/07/2020 22:32

Also, would you not expect it to be noted that the document has been edited and why?

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QuiteGood · 16/07/2020 22:37

Yes. Don’t know what to make of this.