Miriam Margolyes being a massive transphobe

[mintkoala]

She's criticising JKR - calling her conservative. Then she says, 'If you seriously want to be a woman you should be allowed to'. I think she imagines she can decide who 'seriously' wants to be a woman, rather than having to accept anyone who wants to identify.

See also: Billy Bragg, Owen Jones, beardy woke-bros.

I wonder what these men would think if they knew they were on the same 'side' as Jim Davidson?
He's not really very pure in his woke thoughts is he? And we all know anybody associated with someone impure is impure by association.
Certainly had Jim Davidson come out as a terf, this would have been thrown at all the GC feminists as proof of how wrong and awful we are - to dare share even one opinion with such a man, even if for completely different reasons ...

I wonder if Billy or LOJ would take the time to self reflect what it might mean for them to be in agreement with Jim Davidson. Or maybe just reflect that purity spirals aren't helpful.

Won't hold my breath.

I like her and I think she is a great actor.

However, that doesn't mean I believe she has the foggiest idea about the impact of Self ID on the GRA or any of the subjects that JK Rowling has researched in great depth. I also doubt that she knows much about plants (magical or otherwise) or midwifery or nuns.

Unfortunately, I think very few actors will support JKR, because 1). They are paid to act, not to think and 2). They work in a very precarious profession where at any time 90% of actors are unemployed.

I've always liked her. She is, however, as another poster said, a gobshite.

I think the fact that her tutor was wearing stockings and suspenders under his trousers was a bit of a giveaway as to the kind of person he was, doesn't it?

@TheProdigalKittensReturn

'If you seriously want to be a woman you should be allowed to'

What does that mean, though? How is that meant to work? It's not like you can go on a course and get your official License To Woman at the end of it.

😂

@mintkoala

bishop -

She says 'if you seriously want to become a woman'. She thinks that if she thought a transwoman's motivation 'wasn't serious', she wouldn't have to recognise them as a woman. That 'if' is transphobic.

Again, only going from your quote as I can't see the article where it's used (could be in that Independent link but they are basically unreadable on my phone!) I don't think that's transphobic. Most if not all TW would argue they are "serious" - isn't that what the whole issue is about? A casual 'wanting to become the opposite sex' is how trans people classify and dismiss detransitioners - not really trans, they weren't serious enough (in their souls, in their own valid minds, not in any measurable sense).

She said nothing about herself being the gatekeeper. She said 'if you serious want' - ie the person in question. Anyone can say they are serious, it's hardly a gatekeeping criterion!

I feel a little badly for actors at times. Most good actors IMO are not idiots, but they are also pretty regular people. Then they get asked all of these questions in interviews about things they may or may not know about, or have thought about, sometimes personal stuff. Ugh.

The thing about people coming out in support of twaw is that so many of them seemingly have no clue about what is happening. On Twitter there are many TRAs who will say that women's rights won't be impacted because there won't be any changes to the GRA.

Miriam Margoyles did a programme in the US. She went to visit some Preppers. They were really very distrusting of the gov't in general but loved Trump. She made one very interesting observation. She said how it was ironic that they were normally very sceptical and distrusting of the gov't, but in Trump's case they supported him unquestioningly and uncritically, and fell for his shtick hook, line and sinker.

I think this could apply to quite a few on this issue. They are warriors against 'the man', but accept certain faces of the man without question or critical analysis. They even fall for the notion that women being shut out of the conservation and dismissed is progressive.

Sure, anyone can call themselves what they want. I want to live my life as I wish as well. But I don't expect to force others or the law to be changed in order to go along with a charade or impinge on their lives of others. In some cases, very vulnerable women.

Yep Kljnmw my TRA is adamant that because the equality act will remain in force women’s rights can’t - not won’t - but can’t be impacted by self ID

They insist the current process is ridiculously onerous and unfair

Strangely they don’t think I should be allowed to self ID as someone who can drive

“That would impact on others ppls safety”

Yes exactly!! That’s why I can’t just decide I can drive, buy a car & drive aboit because it would endanger other ppl....

The cognitive dissonance makes my head hurt!

bishop -

Well, we seem to be arguing about one word here and you may be right.

However, I definitely got the impression that she thinks her opinion about who is a woman matters, and once you accept trans rights, it just doesn't.

@HandsOffMyRights

Disappointed when women who are old enough to get it, don't. Same with Shirley Manson.

Are you referring to this (frankly disgusting) tweet? I've just seen it, it's AWFUL.

I was hugely taken to task recently over the phrase "if trans men are men..." I can't remember what I went on to say but it was about the necessary healthcare needed to support them with gynaecological issues and maternity care etc.

It was a facebook head tilt and "do you see the problem with that?" As if I'd personally just killed someone. reminds me of tinkerbell

I was quite shaken actually that my language had been policed so much when I was actually pointing out the additional support a transman would need if they chose to have a child and give birth, if their womb etc was still intact and working because a transman is biologically female.

On another thread someone was arguing with me that yes, sex was real etc, but still took me to task over some sort of semantic gymnastics.

I remember her anecdote (on Graham Norton I think) about cycling through a park as a teen and realising there was a man hiding in a tree and masturbating. She stopped and offered to give him a hand, according to her account.

She likes to shock and to ramp up the drama.

Frankly, having read through the comments, the only thing for the UK to settle this once and for all is to insist on linking this TWAW issue to those inheritance laws (firstborn male gets lordship and such...) The rest of the world may perish, but those laws give you gals a fighting chance.

Fantasy authors however are a different matter 🌟

She's an awful person, will say anything for media attention. Just ignore her and hope she fades away into oblivion where she belongs.

@FreshAirAndSunlight

Fantasy authors however are a different matter 🌟

She's an author, has academic credentials, not an actor who is skilled.

Absolutely agree. Should leave it to the doctors, psychologists and other experts who work this field, rather than armchair experts 👍

@lionheart

I remember her anecdote (on Graham Norton I think) about cycling through a park as a teen and realising there was a man hiding in a tree and masturbating. She stopped and offered to give him a hand, according to her account.

She likes to shock and to ramp up the drama.

Sounds like a massive attention seeker.

She has a history of saying things for effect, like her comments about wanting Boris Johnson to die of Covid, now she thinks JK is a fascist. She makes out she is a rebel but just saying things that are extremely orthodox among luvvies and for an old woman, she is extremely childish.

She played Lady Whiteadder, a puritan obsessed with the "thingy-shaped turnip."

Sums up the gender cult perfectly.

Fantasy authors however are a different matter

JK Rowling has been involved in charities that benefit women and girls living in difficult conditions for years. Of course she should be able to talk about the impact of the GRA on women, if for no other reason than she is one.

Should leave it to the doctors, psychologists and other experts who work this field, rather than armchair experts

If you are talking about treatment for gender dysphoria, experts working at GIDS have made it clear that their concerns have been ignored.

She's an author, has academic credentials, not an actor who is skilled.

To be fair Miriam Margoyles has academic credentials. However, that doesn't mean she knows or cares much about this subject.