Mail article on rape crisis centres recruiting self identifying women

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Mail article on rape crisis centres recruiting self identifying women
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8513337/Anger-rape-crisis-centres-recruit-self-identifying-women.html

To be accepted as a volunteer or employee at a rape /dv Centre is probably the crowning glory of the trans TWAW cult, the ultimate sign that they 'pass'.

When a rape crisis centre becomes focused on providing lovely validation experiences and meeting of male emotional needs at direct cost to and failure of the people in crisis that they were set up to serve, the centre should lose its funding and the management team be sacked.

I agree.

To be accepted as a volunteer or employee at a rape /dv Centre is probably the crowning glory of the trans TWAW cult, the ultimate sign that they 'pass'.

YY, which inspired the 12 year court case against Vancouver Rape Relief by a TRA (which they ultimately lost), for not allowing them to work as a volunteer counsellor.

www.feministcurrent.com/2012/05/14/rape-relief-v-nixon-transphobia-and-the-value-of-women-only-space-an-interview-with-lee-lakeman/

That's Vancouver Rape Relief which has been successfully defunded of public money by transactivists, and which has been daubed in transactivist graffiti and has had dead rats nailed to the door.

Even rape victims are not sacrosanct. We are now being accused of 'weaponising' our trauma. And by politicians, no less (male of course).

How fucking dare these people tell others how to respond to, deal with and speak about their own trauma? I didn't ask to be raped. And I'll deal with it in any way I personally see fit, which includes not meekly and complicity retreating into silence in order to make male attackers feel more comfortable.

A PP nailed it. The kind of men who would insinuate themselves into situations with vulnerable women: shelters from DV, rape crisis centres, and even changing rooms, are precisely the kinds of people who should not be anywhere near them.

They're pissing on whatever territory they can find, and it's beyond belief that victims of one of the most traumatic, invasive, humiliating and ugly crimes there is, should be considered fair game.

And WE are the ones being admonished to #BeKind?

@NotAnotherFeckingMuftiDay

The point is these women suffer because of what men - males- have done to them and need support in a space away from males even nice supportive ones.

But it comes back to the fact that no nice supportive male would ever dream of putting himself in a situation where he has the potential to make women distressed or uncomfortable. Any male who even considers 'helping' at a rape crisis centre has clearly identified himself as an abusive misogynist and therefore needs to be kept away from vulnerable women.

I’ve said this all along. Decent people do not willingly violate other people’s boundaries whether social or physical. Jeez, my running club friends get high anxiety if we stray off a public footpath because the are decent people. The other kind of people, the ones that demand access or just disregard common decency are not the kind for people I want in changing rooms and rape crisis shelters.

its website still advertises a job open to self-identifying women

So not women. Isn’t that sexist.

I don’t identify as a woman. I am a woman so that advert would automatically disqualify me from getting the job.

What a brilliant article. And excellent to have the team of the Baroness and Jackie Doyle-Price to comment on behalf of both Houses of Parliament. A year ago, we would have struggled to find anyone to comment at all. This is how far we’ve come. This is now being called out in the popular press as ludicrous. Sunlight, sunlight, sunlight.

Let's face facts, women's needs are always put secondary to men's wants. It won't change. Men won't give up their position of power over us. Too many women play handmaiden in exchange for the benefits of not fighting against the system.

There needs to be separate female only communes where we can opt out of the system. No men at any level, in any space. Long term, not just crisis level.

I've always said the Daily Mail reads mumsnet to find material for articles. This is a direct copy of the earlier thread about this here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3963548-Self-Identifying-Women-wanted

I think the worry about this particular centre is they aren't even concerned or want to use the EA which would allow them to recruit (biological) women.

They have clearly decided that they want to be "inclusive". Its a relatively new centre so I wonder whether it is just not over run with young woke people who think they are being brave and progressive.

Or (as on the Refuge thread) a new management committee has come in with loads of business skills but no idea of providing services to women who have experienced male violence. Or worse have had Stonewall training in the business life and so assume it is the right thing for somewhere they are the Trustee. Never underestimate the power of trustees to totally derail a good project.

I think the worry about this particular centre is they aren't even concerned or want to use the EA which would allow them to recruit (biological) women.

They are using the EA or they would have to make the position open to all males, not just MTF trans people.

Never underestimate the power of trustees to totally derail a good project.
So true.

The recruitment of trustees, and why some people aspire to become trustees, is a whole discussion in itself.

You need a network, to know "people", and woke credentials, to become a trustee, generally speaking.

Being a survivor of dv and having first hand experience of how traumatic it all is, and what women and children go through, just doesn't cut the mustard these days.

How many women will call, hear a male voice, hang up, and never call back? How many women are these services prepared to make themselves unable to help in order to make transwomen who want to work for them happy?

And they’re lying about the Equality Act 2010 - it says nothing of the sort about people identifying as something they’re not.

As I understand it, they are actually breaking the equality act? As they exclude transmen/transboys, they are specifically treating someone in a different way simply because they are trans? Some seem to think this is the other way around, and you must treat transwomen exactly as a woman, I read it the other way and see it as..you cannot treat a transman any different to a woman, simply on the basis that they are trans. I might understand it wrong though.

Yes, they are excluding legal females, and allowing legal males, when using a sex based occupational requirement, relevant to females only, which is discrimination.

How many women will call, hear a male voice, hang up, and never call back?

So right. And how many women will be less trusting, get less from the service, engage less and have a poorer recovery because they are afraid, uncomfortable, and having to hide their feelings and put their own needs aside even in the midst of their trauma and their receiving rape crisis services, to prioritise the needs and chosen vocabulary of a male person? Equality impact assessment anybody?

But hey. Look how very happy the male employees are, and the diversity of the staff! Yay. Balloons and Stonewall emblems and happy faces all round.

You really can only believe there's any good anywhere in this if you believe:

a) females who won't prioritise the needs of males, even in extremis themselves, deserve to be excluded and lose services as a punishment, even if the consequences for them are dire.

b) it does not matter that some females have a worse experience of female services, less access to female services, or lose access to female services altogether so long as males who want to are happy and included in female services. AKA the primary purpose of female services existing is to provide additional choice, wellbeing and support for males.

c) no female human, regardless of circumstance, is ever more important than a male human.

Just what the actual fuck. And if females, as they already did a few decades ago, create and grassroots fund and staff their own centres to help desperate females in need, there will not be a single way that certain males will allow that service to be named and defined without said males throwing themselves about in high drama and trying to bring this place down, purely on the grounds that this one, solitary service and desperate females is not all about them and putting them first.

And they'd rather see the service destroyed than allow anything to exist they can't own.

Where are transmen meant to turn to for help if they're raped? Excluding them under Equality Act grounds is downright evil, and proves that everything we've been saying about the danger of allowing language to be distorted is correct.

If a TW really wanted to do something to help women or really gave a crap about vulnerable women, they would realise that this is totally inappropriate. Ugh.

If a TW really wanted to do something to help women or really gave a crap about vulnerable women, they would realise that this is totally inappropriate. Ugh.

Ten unfortunately that assumes that those political extremists driving all this do give a crap about vulnerable females, vulnerable anyone, or in fact anything other than exactly what they want regardless of the effect on anyone else. Emotional and social toddlers.

This is why it is important for equality that the government is run by impartial grown ups with the professional values to balance all needs regardless of personal feelings and politics.

@Michelleoftheresistance

When a rape crisis centre becomes focused on providing lovely validation experiences and meeting of male emotional needs at direct cost to and failure of the people in crisis that they were set up to serve, the centre should lose its funding and the management team be sacked. It's ridiculous, they've wholly lost their way.

This!! With bells on!!!

@Michelleoftheresistance

When a rape crisis centre becomes focused on providing lovely validation experiences and meeting of male emotional needs at direct cost to and failure of the people in crisis that they were set up to serve, the centre should lose its funding and the management team be sacked. It's ridiculous, they've wholly lost their way.

This!! With bells on!!!

I have had a response:

This was my email - As a rape survivor, the very last person I would want to speak to after being violated by a man. Is a man who identifies as a woman

Response

We write to respond to your email from 9th July.

Cambridge Rape Crisis Centre (CRCC) is an Equal Opportunities service in terms of both service provision and recruitment, and our services are run by women for women. CRCC’s phone and email support services are open to all who self-define as women, including (if they wish) those with complex gender identities which include ‘woman’, and those who experience oppression as women. CRCC affirms that self-definition is at the sole discretion of the individual in question. We also seek a diversity of volunteers who reflect the variety of women that we support, and this includes trans women.

Trans women are subject to the gender inequalities that all women experience on a daily basis, and are subjected to disproportionately high levels of sexual violence*. Trans survivors experience significant barriers when trying to seek support for the rape, sexual assault and/or sexual abuse they have been subjected to.

At Cambridge Rape Crisis Centre the safety of women and girls who use our services is paramount. We have many years of experience in safe and robust volunteer recruitment practices for all women who express interest in providing helpline and email support, and we deliver extensive training to all suitable applicants.

Kind regards,

The CRCC Team

*The Trans Sexual Violence Project in Wisconsin (USA), 2004, found that 45% of participants were survivors of sexual violence.

Pfft, your just the boring old fashioned sort of woman, we don’t support you. Look here are some shiny newer better women...

In Wisconsin 16 years ago???!!? WTF has that got to do with anything?