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Irreversible Damage: The transgender craze seducing our daughters - new book

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stumbledin · 11/07/2020 00:50

Have only skim read a review, and not sure it is saying anything that those on FWR aren't familiar with. Also US based.

But thought I would post as a point of interest thepostmillennial.com/why-are-teenage-girls-afraid-to-be-women-a-new-book-explains-their-flight-from-biological-reality

Apparently Amazon have refused to stock it! twitter.com/abigailshrier?lang=en

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EdgeOfACoin · 11/07/2020 07:35

I think Amazon are stocking it, just not advertising it

AsTreesWalking · 11/07/2020 08:21

Linked from the Post Millennial article, terrifying insouciance of a doctor m.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y6espcXPJk

Beerincomechampagnetastes · 11/07/2020 08:54

This caught my eye.

The final word to Dr. Lisa Marchiano: “I think the last holdouts in all of this are going to be the parents who transitioned their children. They’ll never be able to admit that maybe they did something wrong.” Don’t be them.

Mermaids anyone?

EdgeOfACoin · 11/07/2020 09:06

@Beerincomechampagnetastes

This caught my eye.

The final word to Dr. Lisa Marchiano: “I think the last holdouts in all of this are going to be the parents who transitioned their children. They’ll never be able to admit that maybe they did something wrong.” Don’t be them.

Mermaids anyone?

A lot of people have a vested interest in the trans ideology being true.

Mermaids. Parents who transitioned their children. The BBC who accepted the narrative without question back in 2013 or whenever and have since run various TV programmes soft-soaping the whole thing. Politicians who listened to one side of the debate and assured the trans community of their unconditional support. Schools that affirmed their students' gender identities and socially transitioned them behind their parents' backs in a misguided attempt to be inclusive.

It is going to be so very hard for any of those groups to backtrack.

None are so blind as those who will not see.

LesNot · 11/07/2020 09:19

Yes, Amazon selling it. I just bought it. It did not show up as a suggestion for me, though I live in the lesbian section. Thankfully it's #1 atm.

SarahTancredi · 11/07/2020 09:38

Have just pre ordered.

"Lets get our girls back" - indeed.

What we are doing to young lesbians is criminal.

WatchoutfortheROUS · 11/07/2020 09:43

I'm going to buy it on principle!

moptophairshop · 20/08/2020 17:39

I had this on pre-order (Amazon) and today got a message saying it won't be delivered until October/November. Can't find it listed on Waterstones either. Has anyone successfully ordered a print copy in the UK? Have tried my local bookshop online but their site is down.

Winesalot · 20/08/2020 22:20

I had one delivered from the book depository last month if that is helpful.

rogdmum · 20/08/2020 22:32

Another excellent book is “Inventing Transgender Children and Young People” which is now available as a Kindle edition for £9.99:

amazon.co.uk/Inventing-Transgender-Children-Young-People-ebook/dp/B08DY1SPDS/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1OADORI8BXA54&keywords=inventing+transgender+children+and+young+people&qid=1597959114&sprefix=Inventing+tran%2Caps%2C163&sr=8-1]]

PopperUppleton · 20/08/2020 23:35

Nice to save £66.50 on a book!

Suffrajester · 20/08/2020 23:36

@Beerincomechampagnetastes

This caught my eye.

The final word to Dr. Lisa Marchiano: “I think the last holdouts in all of this are going to be the parents who transitioned their children. They’ll never be able to admit that maybe they did something wrong.” Don’t be them.

Mermaids anyone?

They remind me of Jerrod Scepter's parents - strict Jehovah's Witnesses who let their son refuse a blood transfusion and die. They got deeper into the religion after his death and the governing body occasionally films them for JW Broadcasting videos and Watchtower interviews and the like, showing how loyal they were to the organisation that they sacrificed their child. They have to believe that they did the right thing and their son will be resurrected in the paradise earth after Armageddon, because the alternative - that they were manipulated and needlessly let their son die because eight blokes in America suddenly decided in the 1940s that the Bible didn't support certain medical procedures that weren't invented yet even though it'd violate the principle of preserving life above all other laws - is too awful to face. It's no wonder they cling to the belief, because the cost they've sunk into it is just so enormous. When you've done something like that to your child, you have to keep believing you did the right thing or face what you did. Though to be fair to these parents, there are a lot of lobby groups that manipulated them and they can't shoulder all of the blame. Organisations that blackmailed them with irresponsible and inaccurate claims that their children would definitely commit suicide otherwise, the claims that all treatments are reversible, sexists, homophobes and ableists who told them that a gender nonconforming, gay or autistic kid was somehow wrong or broken, all of them. I hope the parents can come to terms with it and they and their children can reconcile. Though it's a bloody tough thing to face.
LeftHandDown · 20/08/2020 23:48

@moptophairshop

I had this on pre-order (Amazon) and today got a message saying it won't be delivered until October/November. Can't find it listed on Waterstones either. Has anyone successfully ordered a print copy in the UK? Have tried my local bookshop online but their site is down.
I tried to order the book from my local Waterstones, the shop assistant said the book wasn't listed for release, but she would check/request order. Went back a few weeks later and then same person said Waterstones weren't selling it as they don't stock books by that publisher! As that sounded odd, I had a look to see who the publisher of Shrier's book was, only to discover that Waterstones bought the publishing company a year or so ago!
AvocadoBathroom · 21/08/2020 03:20

Audio book should definitely be available as I have it. It's a really good book, she's really kind and protective, the stories are heartbreaking. I'm listening to it with my daughter. We may have dodged a bullet thanks to JKR and this author.

Kettlingur · 21/08/2020 08:31

I'm only on page 130 and it is very interesting and fascinating, but what I find (so far!) curiously missing is the effect of the male gaze. There's plenty about how young girls view their bodies and the bodies of others; how social media influences their idea of what it is to be a woman and how they judge each other's looks, but there's so far nothing about how the male view of women has shifted due to the pornification of culture.

Of course there might be a chapter later and I'll come back and eat my words.

giletrouge · 21/08/2020 08:44

Very interesting to look at the slew of one star reviews on Amazon, all of which have a string of comments after them. Another forum in which the arguments are being conducted. Looks like a fab, brave book - hurrah!

NecessaryScene1 · 21/08/2020 09:14

Nearly 2 hour discussion with Abigail Shrier, its author:

2,165,746 views on YouTube - this is getting a lot more attention these days.

Kettlingur · 21/08/2020 09:19

This! This is brilliant. About "transing" women posthumously (Joan of Arc, Sally Ride etc)

“The more incredible a woman is, the more barriers she busts through, the more “gender nonconforming” she is deemed to be. In this perverse schema, by definition, the more amazing a woman is, the less she counts as a woman.”

moptophairshop · 21/08/2020 09:28

@Winesalot

I had one delivered from the book depository last month if that is helpful.
Thanks Winesalot I'll have a look there. I'll also have a look at your suggestion rogdmum. Interesting to hear the excuse Waterstones gave you LeftHandDown! I watched the author's interview with Joe Rogan and thought she came across very well. Looking forward to reading the book.
FeedTheSparrows · 21/08/2020 10:10

You can also get it through Blackwells: blackwells.co.uk/bookshop/product/Irreversible-Damage-by-Abigail-Shrier-author/9781684510313

(My go to as I don't shop with Amazon anymore).

Winesalot · 21/08/2020 10:39

I read it and it was good. Much of what is discussed about stats, studies and treatments have been discussed on these boards. However it was good to bring them all together with case studies.

And I learned so much more a out the US approach and perhaps why it has progressed and why many believe the UK is a hive of vipers.

But it also reinforced why there are so many young females who persist in their transition even when they have doubts. Because they may have alienated their family and the only community left will police their contact outside the community and will allow no deviation from the ideology. I had heard some of the detransitioners stories but reading this really brought it home.

OvaHere · 21/08/2020 19:03

Having received an email in the last couple of days to say this was delayed again until November I've just had a dispatch notice to say it's arriving tomorrow.

Watch this space!

AnneShirleyBlythe · 21/08/2020 20:20

Same here Ovahere ! Very odd! My mum apso had the same email. Wonder what's going on at Amazon?

OvaHere · 21/08/2020 20:25

It is odd. Perhaps it's a distribution/printing issue? Maybe they got more orders from outside the US than anticipated?

VirginiaComet · 21/08/2020 22:25

That doesn't sound right?

It's published by Regenery which is owned by Salem Media Group /Simon and Schuester and I can't find any connection to Waterstones. (I used to work for Waterstones and although it's been a few years I have never been aware of them owning a publishing house...)